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Jujutsu for everyone

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jennyholzer ◴[] No.45084302[source]
I've seen some posts about Jujutsu recently, but I haven't gone deep into specific workflows.

Are there specific advantages to using Jujutsu over Emacs Magit?

All other Git UIs I've used have been severely lacking, but Magit has made me significantly more productive with Git, and has convinced me of the "magic of git".

Is Jujutsu interested in competing with this experience? Or is it intended as an alternative to the (to be clear, extremely poor) git user experiences outside of Emacs?

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jennyholzer ◴[] No.45084385[source]
Are there "central concepts" in the Jujutsu design?

I'm having a hard time wrapping my mind around what specific details would cause me to choose Jujutsu over Git, in particular because of Git's industry standard status.

I think this is a very interesting concept, but I think it could go farther with some more targeted marketing along these lines. Of course, if Git power users are not Jujutsu's intended audience, then this comment may be irrelvant.

I think one of Git's great weaknesses is its unfriendliness to newcomers (jargon, deep features, lack of discoverability, lack of accessible GUI frontends), so there's probably a lot of potential for a VC solution that is easier for a newcomer to jump into.

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1. thramp ◴[] No.45084937[source]
(disclosure: I started a jj company but I don’t have anything to sell yet.)

> Are there "central concepts" in the Jujutsu design?

I think a central concept in jj is that everything is a commit: there’s no staging index, stashes, or unstaged files, only commits. This has a few pretty neat implications: - changes are automatically to recorded to the current commit. - commits are very cheap to create. - as others have already said, rebases (and history manipulation in general!) are way cheaper than in git. It helps that jj as a whole is oriented around manipulating and rewriting commits. Stacked diffs fall out of this model for free. - Since everything is now a commit, merge/rebase conflicts aren’t anything special anymore because a commit can simply be marked as having “a conflict” and you, as the user, can simply resolve the conflict at your own leisure. While I’m sure you know already know thus, I’d rather make subtext text: in git and mercurial, you’d need to resolve the conflict as it got materialized or abort the rebase entirely. - because everything is a commit, jj has a universal undo button that falls out effectively, for free: `jj undo`. It feels so incredibly powerful to have a safety net!

> All other Git UIs I've used have been severely lacking, but Magit has made me significantly more productive with Git, and has convinced me of the "magic of git".

I can’t speak to this personally, but I’ve had friends who are magit users tell me that jj isn’t a big enough improvement (on a day-to-day, not conceptual, basis) over magit to switch at this time. It’d be really cool to have a magit-but-for-jj, but I don’t think anyone has written one yet.