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1. api ◴[] No.45084285[source]
The previous model isn’t sustainable either. It leads to enshittification.

Content can’t be free if you want it to be of any quality.

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2. kleiba ◴[] No.45084362[source]
I disagree, lots of volunteers have provided tons of high quality information since the inception of the web. Wikipedia is written entirely by people that didn't get any compensation for it. People answer questions on forums for free.

Likewise, a lot of content produced with commercial interest in mind is total garbage (this is e.g. where the term "click-bait" originates from).

There's always quality stuff and crap, no matter whether it's been produced for free or not.

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3. dmortin ◴[] No.45084461[source]
> Content can’t be free if you want it to be of any quality.

There are lots smaller local websites which can produce useful local content because of ad support. Those may not have enough subscribers to continue behind a paywall.

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4. _Algernon_ ◴[] No.45084479[source]
Wikipedia continued existence is not dependent on ads or clicks.
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5. quectophoton ◴[] No.45084606{3}[source]
You just made me imagine if Wikipedia had titles like "Is the Heliocentric model wrong?" or "The third planet of the Solar System has a generic name! Learn everything about it", and half of it behind a paywall.

Or worse, if its content were distributed in short videos: "What to know what's that giant fire ball on the sky? Watch until the end!", with a like-and-subscribe animation covering the bottom 20% of the video every 5 seconds.

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6. kleiba ◴[] No.45084742{4}[source]
10 shocking secrets about the solar system!
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7. balder1991 ◴[] No.45084845{5}[source]
“the last one will turn your brain upside down”
8. balder1991 ◴[] No.45084965[source]
What I notice here in Brazil is that most local news channels get the bulk of their money from TV ads. They all have a badly done website-blog with news that are very superficial (like 2 paragraphs) just to fill them with ads up and down and try to get something from it.

The big channels nowadays usually have 2 websites: one that is free and full of ads and pop-ups with very superficial news (seemingly written by interns) and one with actual quality analysis, journalism etc. that allow you access of 3 articles a month before you need to pay or something of that sorts.

I think the “serving ads” business hasn’t worked for a while.

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9. api ◴[] No.45085097{3}[source]
No it’s dependent on donations, either monetary or content. It’s not really free. It has an economic model. You can get away with one that minimal for Wikipedia because serving mostly static content is incredibly cheap.

Wikipedia can also only work because the upstream scientific and academic work to produce what gets posted there is largely subsidized. Wikipedia posters and maintainers do not have to pay the true cost of the content they are posting and very little of it is original.

This model won’t work for, say, journalism, which is very expensive. It won’t work for difficult polished software products. It won’t work for truly original artistic or literary work which takes tremendous amounts of time to produce. If, for example, authors can’t charge for a novel, then only people with trust funds or who are independently wealthy can afford to invest the time it takes to write a book.

The people pointing out how bad ad supported content is are proving my point, which was that there must be some kind of economic model. If there is no working one, content producers default to ads which leads to enshittification.

10. maltelandwehr ◴[] No.45090265{3}[source]
How can we adapt that to LLMs? Do LLM providers pay for access to these articles?

Do I as a user have to do a micro transaction whenever an LLM generates an answer on one of those paywalled articles? Because as a user, I do not wish to read the quality journalist analysis, I wish for it to be part of the LLM answer that is tailored towards me.

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11. balder1991 ◴[] No.45092741{4}[source]
I think the micro transactions thing would be ideal, and should be something between the LLM providers and the websites, the users should pay solely for the subscription of LLMs being able to search.

But this is a huge simplification of course, and another thousand problems arise from this model. So I have no idea what’s the “good enough” solution we’ll head towards, or whether the web will change completely from this.