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cherryteastain ◴[] No.45083061[source]
Answer is yes. But 'safety' is not the reason for the recent Google move.

It is a move taken in lockstep with EU's Chat Control and UK's Online Safety Act, and the proposed Kids Online Safety Act in the US. The common objective of all is total control of digital lives of citizens and allowing the government to snoop on all internet communication while not disabling end to end encryption. They need end to end encryption to lock out external adversaries (Russia China etc) but they need to see the contents of encrypted messages to monitor internal adversaries.

First step is blocking you from running any apps not allowed by Google/Apple.

Second step is putting in the systems to snoop on end to end encrypted communication apps on the endpoints, enabling intel agencies to detect thoughtcrime without exposing everyone's chats to Chinese/Russian intelligence. This will most likely be done by OSes recognizing the apps and extracting private keys on demand.

Last step is locking the bootloaders so you cannot have a phone which lacks the 'features' added in the second step.

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cyanydeez ◴[] No.45083989[source]
Ok, so ignore your goveenment paranoia. Sure theyre out to get you.

But ask yourself, would business do this anyway? The answer is yes. Google needs a growth target and modeling app store lockin and fees is there.

Youre free to live in paranoid government land, but its an unnecessary abstraction. Its actually the EU and US rulings against their monopoly thats driving it.

Again, the paranoia is just drivel.

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abound ◴[] No.45084052[source]
[Ignoring gov't paranoia discussion]

> Its actually the EU and US rulings against their monopoly thats driving it.

Can you elaborate on this? Locking phones down like this would seem to make Google an even bigger target for future anti-trust suits, no?

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1. cyanydeez ◴[] No.45084103[source]
Depends on how they implement it and how they seed political support. Id they sell it as "save the kids" and give token authority to the same kind of DCMA region lockin, itll become a government backed utility.

Monopoly enforcement only occurs when theres no natural monopoly.