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more_corn ◴[] No.45078070[source]
Because the cost of goods continues to fluctuate wildly due to ongoing tariff wrangling that nobody asked for or needed.

Also farmers can’t sell anything because retaliation has destroyed international demand (I’d say decimated but it’s way worse than reduction by a tenth)

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1. krior ◴[] No.45084062[source]
> nobody asked for

The american public asked for it loud and clear for it last november. We should respect that.

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2. blackbear_ ◴[] No.45085001[source]
Loud and clear? Trump didn't even get half of the votes (49.8%) and almost 36% of eligible voters didn't vote, meaning that not even one third of the American public voted for this.
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3. krior ◴[] No.45085311[source]
Popular vote does not matter to americans, otherwise they would have changed the voting system.

36% of voters said: I support every outcome of the election, no matter what.

And we are now about half a year into his term and I see some complaining, but not one single person seriously opposing him and his politics. If the things he does were really that unpopular, he would not be able to do them. To me it seems like he has the full support of the american public.

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4. blackbear_ ◴[] No.45085727{3}[source]
> Popular vote does not matter to americans

The question is whether and how much these policies are supported, and the popular vote is obviously relevant in this regard.

> 36% of voters said: I support every outcome of the election, no matter what

That's not really true, for all you know those voters didn't support either outcome. You would expect a "loud and clear" victory not to leave one third of people unconvinced enough to avoid voting altogether.

> but not one single person seriously opposing him and his politics

Almost four hundred lawsuits have been filed against his administration, thousands of public protest events are happening, and the tariffs themselves were just ruled illegal. What does "serious" opposition look like to you? In any case, this is certainly not what "full support" looks like.

https://www.lawfaremedia.org/projects-series/trials-of-the-t...

https://time.com/7312601/anti-trump-administration-protests-...

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckgj7jxkq58o

> If the things he does were really that unpopular, he would not be able to do them.

What is the logic behind this?

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5. krior ◴[] No.45086544{4}[source]
> The question is whether and how much these policies are supported, and the popular vote is obviously relevant in this regard.

They are supported by the election. The american puplic accepted the result. Popular vote is not relevant for Trump.

> That's not really true, for all you know those voters didn't support either outcome. You would expect a "loud and clear" victory not to leave one third of people unconvinced enough to avoid voting altogether.

Maybe they had different reasons, but unfortunately thats not how not casting a vote works in a democracy. If you do not vote, you support the winner, no matter your intentions.

> Almost four hundred lawsuits have been filed against his administration

Trump has every branch of the government in his hand, law does not matter to him. Besides, he is a convicted criminal already. A few more lost lawsuits don't matter.

> Thousands of public protest events are happening

And millions of americans are not attending. Feels more like a vocal minority to me than a real movement.

> the tariffs themselves were just ruled illegal

I have not followed closely, but someday it gets to the supreme court and they will say "the president can do whatever he want", like they have said in the past.

> What does "serious" opposition look like to you?

Something that prevents Trump from executing his plans. Something that prevents Trump from just doing whatever he wants.

> time.com: "...thousands of protesters attended demonstrations on Independence Day..."

Thousands? Thats a fraction of a fraction of the american population. I am sorry, but I fail to see how that supports your point.

I will have to admit I am a little jaded when it comes to the US, but you must forgive me: when the US threatens your country with war, a lot of nuance goes out of the window. If an american clusterbomb kills me and my family tomorrow, I won't care that it has been ruled illegal by some lower court (Trump won't either).