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hippo22 ◴[] No.45078622[source]
I’d like to lay out an argument about why tariffs are good.

The only businesses that are derailing with tariffs issues are those that import goods to sell. The argument against tariffs is that they make goods more expensive.

Of course, this argument is true. But that’s not the end of the story.

Because prices are higher for imported goods, demand for domestically produced goods increases. This increase in demand leads to increased demand for labor, which can increase wages. Additionally, the money multiplier effect is higher when money is kept domestically vs paid to offshore parties.

Finally, I think it’s ridiculous to expect that this nation can maintain its wealth without producing anything. We act as if the producers of food are fungible cogs that businesses can swap out. But I think we’ll find that management is the fungible part. Anyone can sell a quality good. Knowing how to make it is what’s important. I’m surprised that mindset doesn’t resonate more with software engineers.

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kristjansson ◴[] No.45078641[source]
A cogent, long range tariff and industrial policy might accomplish something like this over a period of years. Does that describe the last 6 months?
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hippo22 ◴[] No.45078664[source]
Sure, a cogent policy would be ideal. But you can’t let perfect be the enemy of the good. America was getting their lunch eaten well before Trump. At least the tariff policy is an attempt at rectifying the situation.
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goosedragons ◴[] No.45079080[source]
Lunch eaten by whom? Who was eating the world's richest country's lunch? The only lunch eating going on is the American rich eating the poors', something that's only accelerated under Trump. The tariffs are a tax that is most disproportionate on the poor. And they are in no way, shape or form actually intelligently designed to help them. It's just stupid madness.
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1. hippo22 ◴[] No.45082627[source]
The American worker has had their lunch eaten by the American capitalist class in conjunction with countries providing cheaper labor. By allowing unfettered labor arbitrage (i.e. tariff-free trade) the US has allowed their working class to be completely gutted. Combined with with unfettered illegal immigration (another Democratic Party position), the assault on the American worker is immense.
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2. judahmeek ◴[] No.45085334[source]
Unfettered illegal immigration is not a Democratic Party position.

Both Obama & Biden deported more illegal immigrants than Trump.

Due Process is a Democratic Party position that Republicans don't value.

Actually, considering the lack of real penalties for employers of illegal aliens, I'd say that the acceptance by both parties of white-collar crime is the real problem.

Properly prosecute rich criminals & illegal immigration will dry up real fast.

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3. hippo22 ◴[] No.45085882[source]
I agree more could be done in prosecuting employers. But supporting illegal immigrants absolutely was a part of the democrat platform. Sanctuary cities are not about supporting “due process.”

Also, the number of deportations does not tell the whole story. The number of illegal crossings under Biden was astronomical compared to both Obama and Trump.

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4. triceratops ◴[] No.45094189{3}[source]
> Sanctuary cities are not about supporting “due process.”

I thought it was about keeping local law enforcement out of immigration matters. Because otherwise undocumented people would be afraid to report crimes or be witnesses, and that's worse for local crime. Which is what city governments care about.