Bcachefs Goes to "Externally Maintained"

It's orphaned in Debian as well, but I'm not sure what significant advantages it has over btrfs, which is very stable these days.

btrfs was unusable in multi disk setup for kernels 6.1 and older. Didn't try since then. How's stable btrs today in such setups?

Also see https://www.phoronix.com/news/Josef-Bacik-Leaves-Meta

i run btrfs on servers and desktops. it's usuable.

So do I and BTRFS is extremely good these days. It's also much faster than ZFS at mounting a disk with a large number of filesystems (=subvolumes), which is critical for building certain types of fileservers at scale. In contrast, ZFS scales horribly as the number of filesystems increases, where btrfs seems to be O(1). btrfs's quota functionality is also much better than it used to be (and very flexible), after all the work Meta put into it. Finally, having the option of easy writable snapshots is nice. BTRFS is fantastic!

> It's also much faster than ZFS at mounting a disk with a large number of filesystems (=subvolumes), which is critical for building certain types of fileservers at scale.

Now you've piqued my curiosity; what uses that many filesystems/subvolumes? (Not an attack; I believe you, I'm just trying to figure out where it comes up)

It can be useful to create a file server with one filesystem/subvolume per user, because each user has their own isolated snapshots, backups via send/recv are user-specific, quotas are easier, etc. If you only have a few hundred users, ZFS is fine. But what if you have 100,000 users? Then just doing "zpool import" would take hours, whereas mounting a btrfs filesystem with 100,000 subvolumes takes a seconds. This complexity difference was a show stopper for me to architect a certain solution on top of ZFS, despite me personally loving ZFS and having used it for a long time. The btrfs commands and UX are really awkward (for me) compared to ZFS, but btrfs is extremely efficient at some things where ZFS just falls down.

The main criticism in this thread about btrfs involves multidisk setups, which aren't relevant for me, since I'm working on cloud systems and disk storage is abstracted away as a single block device.