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Are we decentralized yet?

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bjourne ◴[] No.45078743[source]
So we are not decentralized. Git was a good attempt, but it kind of got centralized around GitHub, GitLab, and other variants. BitTorrent was decentralized, except tracker sites were the natural centralization points. Bitcoin was also decentralized, but still had Coinbase and other sites. Even SMTP is de facto centralized due to the spam problem.
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1. AnthonyMouse ◴[] No.45079291[source]
> Even SMTP is de facto centralized due to the spam problem.

It's important to note that this isn't "you have to be big in order to be able to filter spam". That's not true at all; decentralized anti-spam lists have been a thing for decades and the big sites don't have any significant advantage in filtering spam.

It's allegedly that big sites will mark small sites as spam even when they're not, which makes it hard to run a small mail server. And there is some of that -- they also have a perverse incentive to do it on purpose because it kills their smaller competitors.

But it's also somewhat overstated. If you have a reverse DNS entry pointing back at your mail server and have properly configured DKIM, it's not inherently the case that you're always going to be marked as spam. And it's not inherently the case that you won't just because you use one of the big services -- they have the same incentive to do that to each other, after all.

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2. bjourne ◴[] No.45080270[source]
Sure, but how many email users have a reverse DNS entry or even know what that is? DKIM? It is, de facto, beyond the reach of 99.9 % of all email users.
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3. topranks ◴[] No.45081476[source]
Right but if you are going to run and operate server infrastructure for yourself you need to know about that stuff.

You saying the average admin is gonna have no issue setting up their MX records but “won’t even know” what a reverse DNS entry is?

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4. bjourne ◴[] No.45083768{3}[source]
What? Most people are either incapable or unwilling to run their own mail servers. People could hack together their own social media or messaging sites in PHP, that doesn't mean Facebook and Twitter aren't centralized. That's what de facto means.