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Are we decentralized yet?

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jchw ◴[] No.45077739[source]
I think this compares AT proto PDSes to Fediverse instances. In many ways this actually underplays just how grossly centralized AT proto currently is, since some of the components are 100% centralized still. (Whereas Fediverse instances, all downsides considered, are at least self-contained fully-independent instances.)
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edavis ◴[] No.45077763[source]
Which components are you referring to?
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jchw ◴[] No.45077826[source]
In case of Bluesky, there will also only ever be a single instance of the App View. As far as I am aware though in practice there's really only the official relay or indexing services either.
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skybrian ◴[] No.45077855[source]
Why can't someone run another App View?
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jchw ◴[] No.45077960[source]
You can, it just won't be the Bluesky App View, so it's not really Bluesky. It's not like the fediverse where the instances own the URLs of the posts: they go through app views and there's a canonical URL to a Bluesky post and that's through the official app view.
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danabramov ◴[] No.45078096[source]
This seems misleading.

Different AppViews would obviously be branded differently, but the whole point of ATProto is that there is a shared "picture" of the world. People are running alternative AppViews that consume Bluesky posts (and serve Bluesky threads).

Here's the same thread on three different AppViews:

- https://zeppelin.social/profile/did:plc:iyz5zf463ic52vqbonyu...

- https://blacksky.community/profile/did:plc:iyz5zf463ic52vqbo...

- https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:iyz5zf463ic52vqbonyu2ebu/po...

These are three independent webapps indexing the same information and serving it independently. They're not different frontends for one API; these are all independent backends.

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1. indexxing ◴[] No.45078905[source]
one important correction is that blacksky is not hosting their own appview, they host their own PDS for users to join and a soft-fork of the official client
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2. danabramov ◴[] No.45079133[source]
Ah, apologies, thanks! Lemme edit.
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3. danabramov ◴[] No.45079139[source]
Actually it doesn't look like I'm able to edit anymore, so I'll upvote your comment.