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oa335 ◴[] No.45075313[source]
> What this really underscores is that what the PRC is doing through these proxy actors is really reckless and unbounded, in a way that is significantly outside of the norms of what we see in the espionage space,"

What norms are he referring to?

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Telemakhos ◴[] No.45075606[source]
Given that the US intelligence community, with PRISM and Upstream and the like, hoovers up all the world's communications, I think the "norms" must be "nobody except the US was able to do this until now." Now China has shown that it can compete in the same space.
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hammock ◴[] No.45076145[source]
Western intelligence plus Israel*

And yeah pretty much. I don’t know anything about anything but it feels like there is a hierarchy (norm? At least what they are trying to enforce) of US > Five Eyes > other Western Intel (France, etc) > Pakistan/Russia/Etc > China/North Korea/Iran; and Israel falls somewhere in that mix as a maverick. Of course in practice it doesn’t work out this way.

Reminds me of the recent news that the US will ban Chinese components from undersea cables, globally: https://asia.nikkei.com/content/99550c9ade243fe057e8a2ba6f29...

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mensetmanusman ◴[] No.45076615[source]
Israel is a part of western intelligence. Adding them as your main response is strange.
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1. hammock ◴[] No.45077546[source]
By what measure?