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oa335 ◴[] No.45075313[source]
> What this really underscores is that what the PRC is doing through these proxy actors is really reckless and unbounded, in a way that is significantly outside of the norms of what we see in the espionage space,"

What norms are he referring to?

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Telemakhos ◴[] No.45075606[source]
Given that the US intelligence community, with PRISM and Upstream and the like, hoovers up all the world's communications, I think the "norms" must be "nobody except the US was able to do this until now." Now China has shown that it can compete in the same space.
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hammock ◴[] No.45076145[source]
Western intelligence plus Israel*

And yeah pretty much. I don’t know anything about anything but it feels like there is a hierarchy (norm? At least what they are trying to enforce) of US > Five Eyes > other Western Intel (France, etc) > Pakistan/Russia/Etc > China/North Korea/Iran; and Israel falls somewhere in that mix as a maverick. Of course in practice it doesn’t work out this way.

Reminds me of the recent news that the US will ban Chinese components from undersea cables, globally: https://asia.nikkei.com/content/99550c9ade243fe057e8a2ba6f29...

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mensetmanusman ◴[] No.45076615[source]
Israel is a part of western intelligence. Adding them as your main response is strange.
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1. impossiblefork ◴[] No.45077133[source]
It has very different values than the west.

Imagine if there were movements in Switzerland to move to certain areas to push out the speakers of some local dialect, and literally organized home-buying in groups to get them out?