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University of Cambridge Cognitive Ability Test

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1. jonplackett ◴[] No.45077108[source]
Man my cognitive abilities have tanked since I was in my 20s. I remember doing IQ tests and scoring 130+

I’m now 43 and other day I was looking up test papers for the 11+ (school entrance exams for 11 year olds) and thinking - damn this is HARD!

Anyone else feel like they used to be so much quicker?

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2. indigodaddy ◴[] No.45077122[source]
100% - used to be so much sharper with math and abstract math concepts in my 20s and 30s. Could be just a use it or lose it thing though?
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3. BlackjackCF ◴[] No.45077173[source]
Do you think it’s really the fact that you were younger or just that you have a lot more responsibilities now?

I’m in my early 30s and I definitely feel less sharp than in my 20s, but I also feel like my priorities have changed and I have more responsibilities at work and at home, so I have much less ability to just be able to do very long periods of focused studying/thinking like I used to in my 20s

I asked my parents about this as they are both accomplished people and work in STEM/academia.

They both mentioned feeling less sharp when they hit their mid-to-late 30s, which corresponds to… when they had kids. I know correlation isn’t causation, but seeing all of my coworkers who have young children now all mention they’ve had a marked decrease in mental acuity for work due to sleep deprivation (and having to prioritize their kids), I’m going to guess this is it.

I also wonder if you just had a month to focus on refreshing what you learned in school how quickly it would all come back.

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4. aDyslecticCrow ◴[] No.45077212[source]
I think i would really enjoy a refresh course for university level maths and physics. But perhaps it would be better spent learning new maths and physics, which force a refresh on relevant prerequisite maths.
5. mettamage ◴[] No.45077213[source]
In part. I notice when I do math again, it comes back.
6. mr90210 ◴[] No.45077279[source]
You describe it as if it’s a bad thing. It’s your brain working as intended.

Now, you can be strategic about staying sharp about topics that interest you.

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7. thimkerbell ◴[] No.45077290[source]
Is this a test whose abilities would survive being retaken periodically? Because having a baseline to compare against would let you know if your cranium was headed south, or if particular circumstances were contributing to that.

(my 2¢: avoid sugar, fast food& other carbs, nitrite meats)

8. tshaddox ◴[] No.45077295[source]
I think it’s mostly about your level of interest in taking the test. This can obviously be influenced by your priorities and other responsibilities. Incidentally, I think IQ tests and similar “cognitive tests” are all mostly just measuring the subject’s interest in the test.
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9. abstractbill ◴[] No.45077315[source]
It’s your brain working as intended.

As intended by whom?

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10. mothballed ◴[] No.45077364[source]
It cannot be understated how much kids interrupt the ability to focus on tasks. The ability to do nothing but focus on solving on a problem for a week straight felt like 100x the productivity of having to totally context switch at the end of the day to someone needing a juice or going into a screaming tantrum because the color of the cup is wrong and that being non-stop until the next work-day, which totally obliterates all the short-term working memory you had of the task at hand.
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12. channel_t ◴[] No.45077663[source]
Not me. More than half of my 20s were mostly defined by working service industry jobs, hanging around with party kids, staying awake until the sun came up, and basically getting by doing the bare minimum for everything. It was probably the lowest point of my life cognitively. It wasn't really until sometime around my mid-30s that I started feeling pretty sharp and performing well on cognitive tests. I didn't grow up in an environment where there were any cultural expectations of achievement in anything. I had to find all of that on my own through a lot of trial and error. That being said, who knows where I would be today if a nice chunk of my 20s had been less dumb? I ruminate about it fairly often.
13. rmah ◴[] No.45078180[source]
I'm in my 50's and I feel smarter than I did in my 20's. I'm less energetic certainly, but I can focus better now. And I feel like my knowledge and understanding of mathematics, politics, economics, sciences, history, people, etc, is much better.
14. Joel_Mckay ◴[] No.45078383[source]
If you work with some piece of software everyday for 10+ years... I guarantee you the Jr programmers will have a look of terror as you bring them up to speed in a project. Speed is a function of practice, and not potential cognitive gifts.

One just becomes hyper-specialized with age if you aren't careful, and don't explore new technology or hobbies. One Phd physicist I knew often said he was only an expert in Spoons, and while that probably wasn't really true... it did allude to the irrational competitiveness of the insecure. =3

15. jonplackett ◴[] No.45078442{3}[source]
This is a good point. I’d say if having kids was the start of my mental fogginess.

Just the lack of sleep must have an large effect.

16. jonplackett ◴[] No.45078460{3}[source]
I think interest and concentration definitely play a part - but to say that’s all it measures is kinda crazy
17. Flere-Imsaho ◴[] No.45078468[source]
> I’m now 43 and other day I was looking up test papers for the 11+ (school entrance exams for 11 year olds) and thinking - damn this is HARD!

Are you me? I've been helping my daughter study for the 11+, and some of the questions I really struggle with (I'm 44). However if you look up the answers and see how the answer is calculated/resolved, it does seem like it's a case of just learning the method.

This does make me think that to pass the 11+ you basically need to pay for private tuition. We'll see how well my daughter does in a few weeks time (when the 11+ test is conducted).

Likewise with a lot of these cognitive IQ tests, if you know the method or tricks you can basically pass no problem... but I'm not 100% sure it means you're "smarter" than everyone else.

18. binary132 ◴[] No.45078672[source]
FWIW, after I started treating sleep apnea my mental sharpness increased a lot over the course of about a year. (I’m 39)
19. Jensson ◴[] No.45080033{3}[source]
Evolution.
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20. SamPatt ◴[] No.45080144[source]
IQ is age-adjusted. Without the adjustment, it drops quite a bit.

Some cognitive abilities diminish more slowly with age (so-called crystallized intelligence), but unfortunately, fluid intelligence drops noticeably much earlier in life than most people would care to realize.

You just need to lean into what you know instead of solving novel problems. Or be comfortable knowing that it'll take longer than it used to. Typically, you can still arrive at a solution if you could have before, but you'll need to put more work into it. Sometimes, a lot more work.

- A homeschooling father helping with SAT prep

21. pixelpoet ◴[] No.45082125{3}[source]
Pretty sure you mean to say, it cannot be overstated :)
22. jonplackett ◴[] No.45084294{4}[source]
It’s more like evolution just doesn’t give a shit about your cognitive abilities once you’ve reproduced…
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23. Jensson ◴[] No.45084568{5}[source]
Most people help their kids, and are pretty old once the kids have moved out, so it matters for most of your life.