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Is it possible to allow sideloading and keep users safe?

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205 points ColinWright | 4 comments | 30 Aug 25 12:03 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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enriquto ◴[30 Aug 25 12:59 UTC] No.45074254[source]▶
> Are you allowed to run whatever computer program you want on the hardware you own?

Yes. It is a basic human right.

> This is a question where freedom, practicality, and reality all collide into a mess.

No; it isn't. The answer is clear and not messy. If you are not allowed to run programs of your choice, then it is not your hardware. Practicality and "reality" (whatever that means) are irrelevant issues here.

Maybe you prefer to use hardware that is not yours, but that is a different question.

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rafram ◴[30 Aug 25 13:15 UTC] No.45074374[source]▶
That’s a great ideal, but Android is used both by sophisticated users who want a phone they can tinker with and the tech-illiterate grandparents of the world, who will never have a legitimate reason to install an app outside the Play Store, and who would never attempt to do that unless they were being guided by a scammer.
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danieldk ◴[30 Aug 25 13:20 UTC] No.45074413[source]▶
So, put a toggle somewhere. When the toggle is toggled, put up a big fat warning sheet and say if somebody on the phone or mail asks you to do that, 99.9% it's a scammer.

If people still go for it, then it is their responsibility. A lot of things in life require responsibility because otherwise the results can be disastrous. But we don't forbid them, because it would be a huge violation of freedoms.

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1. throw0101c ◴[30 Aug 25 16:47 UTC] No.45076037[source]▶
> So, put a toggle somewhere. When the toggle is toggled, put up a big fat warning sheet and say if somebody on the phone or mail asks you to do that, 99.9% it's a scammer.

The proverbial grandparents will follow the instructions of the scammers and will click through all of that. We've had decades of empirical evidence: people will keep clicking and tapping on dialogue boxes to achieve their goal.

People have physically driven to cryptocurrency ATMs on the instructions of scammers:

* https://bc-cb.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/ViewPage.action?siteNodeId=2136...

* https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2025/04/21/bitcoin-atm-...

Warning sheets will do nothing.

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2. dns_snek ◴[30 Aug 25 19:52 UTC] No.45077506[source]▶
Okay great, seeing how every reasonable warning and technical restriction is completely pointless and how people will do everything they're told if they're naive enough and the person on the other end is convincing enough, we can skip this whole dance.

Because at the end of the day the scammer is going to convince your grandma to go to the bank, withdraw the entirety of her savings and send them to the scammer in an envelope.

Any technical restrictions therefore only harm our personal freedoms and don't actually protect those who are vulnerable because those people's problems aren't technical in nature.

3. broker354690 ◴[30 Aug 25 22:34 UTC] No.45078579[source]▶
Who cares? Granny is still allowed to buy knives and accidentally chop off her fingers while she cooks. If she ends up doing that it's either her fault or she's too old to be using knives. We don't ban or blunt knives just because you can cut yourself with them.
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4. throw0101c ◴[01 Sep 25 12:31 UTC] No.45092219[source]▶
> Who cares?

Those of us with elderly parents and piblings (aunts/uncles).