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fabian2k ◴[] No.45063298[source]
Do I understand it correctly? Crash data gets automatically transmitted to Tesla, and after it was transmitted is immediately marked for deletion?

If that is actually designed like this, the only reason I could see for it would be so that Tesla has sole access to the data and can decide whether to use it or not. Which really should not work in court, but it seems it has so far.

And of course I'd expect an audit trail for the deletion of crash data on Tesla servers. But who knows whether there actually isn't one, or nobody looked into it at all.

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lgeorget ◴[] No.45063617[source]
I guess one charitable way to look at it is that after a crash, external people could get access to the car and its memory, which could potentially expose private data about the owner/driver. And besides private data, if data about the car condition was leaked to the public, it could be made to say anything depending on who presents it and how, so it's safer for the investigation if only appointed experts in the field have access to it.

This is not unlike what happens for flight data recorders after a crash. The raw data is not made public right away, if ever.

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fabian2k ◴[] No.45063651[source]
If Tesla securely stored this data and reliably turned it over to the authorities, I wouldn't argue much with this.

But the data was mostly unprotected on the devices, or it couldn't have been restored. And Tesla isn't exactly known for respecting the privacy of their customers, they have announced details about accidents publicly before.

And there is the potential conflict of interest, Tesla does have strong incentives to "lose" data that implicates Autopilot or FSD.

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sanex ◴[] No.45063764[source]
I would rather my cars not automatically rat me out to the authorities, personally.
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sfn42 ◴[] No.45066355{3}[source]
I think a world where drivers are held accountable for their actions sounds like a just and probably safer world.

If you cause an accident by driving distracted or being reckless I think it's only fair that the facts are known so that you can be punished accordingly. Certainly better than someone innocent having to share responsibility for your mistake.

I think that would probably make people think twice about being reckless and even if it doesn't at least they'll get what they deserve.

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atq2119 ◴[] No.45069638{4}[source]
I think this is the right way to look at it. Privacy is extremely important to me, but cars are basically lethal weapons. Using them on public roads has to come with a certain amount of responsibility that balances privacy against other goods.
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1. sanex ◴[] No.45074212{5}[source]
Personally I believe the fifth amendment should protect me from self incrimination.
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2. sfn42 ◴[] No.45074410[source]
If you had security cameras at your home, a judge could issue a warrant for that footage.

Seems to me that smart car data is similar - in the event of a crash, a judge could issue a warrant for that data if it is deemed relevant to the case.

And either way, honestly, just don't drive like an idiot and this will never be a problem for you.