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TheRoque ◴[] No.45065446[source]
To be honest, these companies already stole terabytes of data and don't even disclose their dataset, so you have to assume they'll steal and train at anything you throw at them
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marssaxman ◴[] No.45066376[source]
"Reading stuff freely posted on the internet" constitutes stealing now?

Seems like an excessively draconian interpretation of property rights.

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michaelmior ◴[] No.45066424[source]
"Reading stuff freely posted on the internet" is also very different from a business having machines consume large volumes of data posted on the Internet for the purpose of generating value for them without compensating the creators. I'm not making a value judgement one way or the other, but "reading stuff freely posted on the Internet" is an oversimplification.
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marssaxman ◴[] No.45066511[source]
Okay, but "stealing" is also an oversimplification, to the point of absurdity.

It makes no sense to put stuff up on the internet where it can freely be downloaded by anyone at any time, by people who are then free to do whatever they like with it on their own hardware, then complain that people have downloaded that stuff and done what they liked with it on their own hardware.

"Having machines consume large volumes of data posted on the Internet for the purpose of generating value for them without compensating the creators" is equally a description of Google.

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vunderba ◴[] No.45068034[source]
> "Having machines consume large volumes of data posted on the Internet for the purpose of generating value for them without compensating the creators" is equally a description of Google.

Quid pro quo. Those sites also received traffic from the audiences searching using Google. "Without compensation" really only became a thing when Google started adding the inlined cards which distilled the site's content thus obviating the need for a user to visit the aforementioned site.

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1. derangedHorse ◴[] No.45074159[source]
Arguments like this never work out. There is no agreed upon compensation for being listed. If I didn’t want my site listed by Google and it was listed anyway, I may not think the traffic justifies my subjective “cost” of being listed. There’s also no legal protection against having my publicly accessible site and the title in its html from being shown (as there shouldn’t be).