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358 points tkgally | 12 comments | | HN request time: 1.114s | source | bottom

The use of the em dash (—) now raises suspicions that a text might have been AI-generated. Inspired by a suggestion from dang [1], I created a leaderboard of HN users according to how many of their posts before November 30, 2022—that is, before the release of ChatGPT—contained em dashes. Dang himself comes in number 2—by a very slim margin.

Credit to Claude Code for showing me how to search the HN database through Google BigQuery and for writing the HTML for the leaderboard.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45053933

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ThatMedicIsASpy ◴[] No.45072356[source]
I have started using triple dots as on Linux I can get them with Alt Gr + .

A lot of symbols can be accessed with Alt Gr compared to Windows

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1. notpushkin ◴[] No.45072500[source]
Please don’t... Adding ellipsis as a separate character was a huge mistake, because it doesn’t work well:

- you can’t make a ?.. or !.. with it

- the spacing between the dots is awful in a lot of fonts

- it is hideous in monospace

- typing ellipsis properly is a very easy gesture (triple-tap the dot key), arguably easier than Alt Gr + . (depending on the keyboard)

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2. dragonwriter ◴[] No.45072546[source]
> you can’t make a ?.. or !.. with it

But an ellipsis is separate from and doesn't mmerge with sentence-terminal punctuation, whether its a period or somethig else (when it replaces words at the end of a sentence, the terminal punctuation follows the ellipsis, when at the beginning of a sentence that follows another, the ellipsis follows the punctuation.) The constructs you say can't be formed with it aren't needed.

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3. cwillu ◴[] No.45072554[source]
…no.
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4. notpushkin ◴[] No.45072612[source]
Hmm, yeah, you’re right – in English this isn’t really used. However it’s a widely used punctuation in Russian (and many ex-USSR languages, too), so... no, they are needed in some cases.
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5. notpushkin ◴[] No.45072616[source]
Okay then?..
6. pxc ◴[] No.45072667[source]
I've only ever typed that character using a compose key: caps and then the same three periods.
7. Moru ◴[] No.45072725[source]
This is why we only had ascii in the start. You don't need those other characters anyway. (For english...)

Meanwhile there are a lot of languages and cultures. Somewhere all those characters were useful for something. My Atari had a very fun utility that gave you a compose-key that could combine just about everything on the keyboard to access all those weird characters of the extended ascii table. <compose>+ao would give you "a" with a ring on top (å), <compose>+ae gave the danish welded together character that I can't even type any more on windows.

The idea came from some unix thing I believe.

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8. notpushkin ◴[] No.45072776{3}[source]
Good news! Compose key is available in Linux natively, and for Windows there’s WinCompose by Sam Hocevar: https://wincompose.info/
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9. mitthrowaway2 ◴[] No.45072813[source]
-it takes three keystrokes to type, but only one backspace to delete, which is confusing!
10. Moru ◴[] No.45073322{4}[source]
Thanks, have tried that one but I just don't write enough and the special characters I need is natively on my keyboard. But it's very nice for those that actually do write other things than code :-)
11. layer8 ◴[] No.45074260{3}[source]
If that is accurate, you’d have a good chance of getting a corresponding Unicode proposal accepted.
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12. notpushkin ◴[] No.45080585{4}[source]
It doesn’t really make sense to me – those new characters would mostly just look the same as the combination of symbols used right now, be harder to type, and share all of the other flaws I’ve mentioned above. Might be fun though!