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If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward

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439 points diggan | 7 comments | 29 Aug 25 11:39 UTC | HN request time: 0.001s | source | bottom
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TheRoque ◴[29 Aug 25 15:33 UTC] No.45065446[source]▶
To be honest, these companies already stole terabytes of data and don't even disclose their dataset, so you have to assume they'll steal and train at anything you throw at them
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marssaxman ◴[29 Aug 25 16:44 UTC] No.45066376[source]▶
"Reading stuff freely posted on the internet" constitutes stealing now?

Seems like an excessively draconian interpretation of property rights.

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Sohcahtoa82 ◴[29 Aug 25 21:23 UTC] No.45069550[source]▶
This is a quintessential bad faith comment.

The reference to terabytes of stolen data refers to copyrighted material. I think you know this but chose to frame it as "stuff freely posted on the internet" in order to mislead and strawman the other comment.

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marssaxman ◴[29 Aug 25 21:43 UTC] No.45069748[source]▶
I meant it exactly as I said it. I do not agree that any theft occurred, either in law or in spirit, and I believe that reinterpretation of intellectual-property law in order to make it a crime would cause significant harm, greatly outweighing the benefits, as has been the case with every other expansion of intellectual property law I have seen.
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1. fcarraldo ◴[29 Aug 25 22:08 UTC] No.45069977[source]▶
Anthropic downloaded books from Library Genesis and The Pirate Library mirror. This is factual and reported on from court documents.

What’s the angle that describes this as fair use?

[0] https://www.businessinsider.com/anthropic-cut-pirated-millio...

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2. marssaxman ◴[29 Aug 25 23:57 UTC] No.45070728[source]▶
The simple fact that they are not republishing any of that data. Fair use does not apply, because copyright does not apply, because nothing is being copied.
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3. Wowfunhappy ◴[30 Aug 25 01:02 UTC] No.45071030[source]▶
So you don't think downloading something from The Pirate Bay constitutes copyright infringement provided you don't republish it?
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4. marssaxman ◴[30 Aug 25 02:08 UTC] No.45071319{3}[source]▶
Precisely. The person sharing is the one breaking the law.
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5. TheRoque ◴[30 Aug 25 03:48 UTC] No.45071762{4}[source]▶
That's factually wrong, downloading without sharing is also illegal.
6. thrwaway55 ◴[30 Aug 25 10:58 UTC] No.45073626{4}[source]▶
I just want to confirm this, you believe that when OpenAI and their agents post copyright material that they did not pay for verbatim it is breaking the law?
7. coldtea ◴[30 Aug 25 14:16 UTC] No.45074880{4}[source]▶
You are wrong then. Confidently wrong.

U.S.: Downloading = infringement. If prosecuted, usually gets civil lawsuits/fines, not jail.

E.U.: Same — both downloading/hosting illegal, but hosts get cracked down harder.