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some_random ◴[] No.45065345[source]
Title is misleading, they're now opt-out rather than opt-in to your data being used for training. All you have to do is flip a single switch in the options to turn it off, I don't understand why everyone is treating this as being such a big deal.

Edit: I just logged in to opt out, they presented me with the switch directly. It was two clicks.

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rkomorn ◴[] No.45065365[source]
I think any switch from opt-out-by-default to opt-in-by-default sucks, especially when it has no clear immediate benefit to the person being opted in.

Disclaimer: not a Claude user (not even a prospective one)

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latexr ◴[] No.45065429[source]
> any switch from opt-out-by-default to opt-in-by-default sucks

It’s the reverse. This was opt-in and is now opt-out. Opt means choose so when “the default is opt-in” it means the option is “no” by default and you have the option to make it “yes”.

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rkomorn ◴[] No.45065671{3}[source]
> they're now opt-out rather than opt-in to your data being used for training

This is what the comment I was replying to said. I took that to mean "you have to opt out (ie you're opted in by default)".

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stkdump ◴[] No.45067732{4}[source]
The meaning of the term "opt-in" is that it is off by default and has to be manually enabled. "opt-out" means it is on by default and you have to manually turn it off. "opt-in-by-default" or "opted in by default" are needlessly confusing.
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1. rkomorn ◴[] No.45068391{5}[source]
True, yes. Totally agree with you on the fundamental definition of opt-in vs opt-out.

You can also have a checkbox that says "I consent to having my data used for training", which would look like "opting in", and it could be true by default.

Or you can have a checkbox that says "Leave my data out of your training set", which would look like "opting out", and which could be unchecked default.

Technically, they're both "opt-out", but I've seen enough examples (intentionally confusing and arguably "dark patterns") that I personally don't really consider "it's opt-in" to be a complete statement anymore.

Edit: I'll add that, in the comment I was replying to, it very much looked like you had to go to a settings page in order to opt-out, which I think is entirely reasonably described as having been opted-in by default. Here's what they had written:

> All you have to do is flip a single switch in the options to turn it off

And I actually think "opted-in by default" is valid and calls out cases where it looks like you consent, but that decision was made for you. Although in this case I think I've seen other comments that describe the UX differently, but my comment was more of a general comment than about this particular flow.