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NitpickLawyer ◴[] No.45066063[source]
Tested this yesterday with Cline. It's fast, works well with agentic flows, and produces decent code. No idea why this thread is so negative (also got flagged while I was typing this?) but it's a decent model. I'd say it's at or above gpt5-mini level, which is awesome in my book (I've been maining gpt5-mini for a few weeks now, does the job on a budget).

Things I noted:

- It's fast. I tested it in EU tz, so ymmv

- It does agentic in an interesting way. Instead of editing a file whole or in many places, it does many small passes.

- Had a feature take ~110k tokens (parsing html w/ bs4). Still finished the task. Didn't notice any problems at high context.

- When things didn't work first try, it created a new file to test, did all the mocking / testing there, and then once it worked edited the main module file. Nice. GPT5-mini would often times edit working files, and then get confused and fail the task.

All in all, not bad. At the price point it's at, I could see it as a daily driver. Even agentic stuff w/ opus + gpt5 high as planners and this thing as an implementer. It's fast enough that it might be worth setting it up in parallel and basically replicate pass@x from research.

IMO it's good to have options at every level. Having many providers fight for the market is good, it keeps them on their toes, and brings prices down. GPT5-mini is at 2$/MTok, this is at 1.5$/MTok. This is basically "free", in the great scheme of things. I ndon't get the negativity.

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jameshart ◴[] No.45067602[source]
If the Grok brand wasn’t terminally tarnished for you by the ‘mechahitler’ incident, I’m not sure what more it would take.

This is an offering being produced by a company whose idea of responsible AI use involves prompting a chatbot that “You spend a lot of time on 4chan, watching InfoWars videos” - https://www.404media.co/grok-exposes-underlying-prompts-for-...

A lot of people rightly don’t want any such thing anywhere near their code.

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efitz ◴[] No.45067876[source]
Microsoft had Tay. Google Gemini had “Black George Washington”.

I think that pinning your entire view of a model forever on a single incident is not a reasonable approach, but you do you.

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1. otterley ◴[] No.45067938[source]
It's not just the model, it's Elon Musk's view of the world and business in general. Neither Microsoft nor Google nor their leadership--though admittedly imperfect--make it a habit of trolling people, openly embroiling themselves in politics, and committing blatant legal and societal transgressions. You reap what you sow; and if you live for controversy, you can't expect people not to want to do business with you.
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2. epa ◴[] No.45068398[source]
What about promoting renewable energy, space exploration, frontier physics and advanced engineering makes you concerned?
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3. badsectoracula ◴[] No.45068612[source]
Donating to orphanages after committing a genocide resets your karma only in videogames.
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4. FirmwareBurner ◴[] No.45069030{3}[source]
What genocide did Musk commit?
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5. otterley ◴[] No.45069189{4}[source]
I think they were making a (poor) analogy, not literally accusing Musk of committing genocide.
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6. otterley ◴[] No.45069244[source]
Here are a few examples:

* Elon Musk Charged With Securities Fraud for Misleading Tweets: https://www.sec.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2018-219

* SEC Charges Elon Musk for Failing to Timely Disclose Beneficial Ownership of Twitter: https://www.debevoise.com/insights/publications/2025/01/sec-...

* Musk Sued for Calling Thai Cave Rescuer Pedophile: https://www.voanews.com/a/tesla-s-musk-sued-for-calling-thai...

* Elon Musk salute controversy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk_salute_controversy

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7. otterley ◴[] No.45069248{3}[source]
Derangement suggests a complete lack of factual and reasoning capability. Do you honestly think we're unaware of the facts and circumstances that support our judgment?
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8. badsectoracula ◴[] No.45069512{4}[source]
Musk didn't commit any genocide (that i'm aware of) but that wasn't what i wrote. The point of my comment is that you can't offset doing -what some people perceive as- bad things by doing -what some people perceive as- good things later.
9. badsectoracula ◴[] No.45069547{5}[source]
Well, i can't think of a better analogy to say that you can't offset doing bad things by doing good things. The karma system some games use (e.g. Fallout 3 where you can nuke an entire city that puts your karma in negatives and then give fresh water to beggars to reset your karma) was what i was reminded of.
10. elcritch ◴[] No.45070218{4}[source]
Yes, unfortunately. Even liberal commentators like Jon Stewart and Bill Maher have said the obsession with Trump was overblown and even dangerous in its own right.
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11. otterley ◴[] No.45070246{5}[source]
The fact that some people grossly exaggerate a person's evilness (or goodness) doesn't mean that person isn't evil (or good).
12. bigyabai ◴[] No.45078167{5}[source]
Citing Jon Stewart and Bill Maher as "liberal commentators" is like calling Alex Jones and Joe Rogan conservative commentators. Those people will say anything that their audience responds to, what are the actual political scientists on both sides of the aisle saying?