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If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward

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439 points diggan | 5 comments | 29 Aug 25 11:39 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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TheRoque ◴[29 Aug 25 15:33 UTC] No.45065446[source]▶
To be honest, these companies already stole terabytes of data and don't even disclose their dataset, so you have to assume they'll steal and train at anything you throw at them
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marssaxman ◴[29 Aug 25 16:44 UTC] No.45066376[source]▶
"Reading stuff freely posted on the internet" constitutes stealing now?

Seems like an excessively draconian interpretation of property rights.

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1. timeon ◴[29 Aug 25 16:50 UTC] No.45066467[source]▶
What "reading"?
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2. marssaxman ◴[29 Aug 25 16:52 UTC] No.45066495[source]▶
The same reading search engine crawlers have been doing since time immemorial.
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3. kridsdale1 ◴[29 Aug 25 16:54 UTC] No.45066513[source]▶
Looking at and gaining knowledge.
4. TheRoque ◴[29 Aug 25 16:57 UTC] No.45066556[source]▶
Search engines never claimed that their content was orignal, and redirect to the original author (which gets proper retribution)
5. ehnto ◴[29 Aug 25 17:19 UTC] No.45066843[source]▶
No one gave them permission to access their webservers back then either. Before it's cited that there is precedent in law, that is in the US. No such precedent exists in my country, and our laws suggest that unauthorized access regardless of "gates up or down" would constitute trespassing. There are also no protections for scrapers coming out of prior lawsuits, and copying copyrighted material is of course illegal.

Which is just to point out that the world wide web is not its own jurisdiction, and I believe AI companies are going to be finding that an ongoing problem. Unlike search, there is no symbiosis here, so there is an incentive to sue. The original IP holders do not benefit in any way. Search was different in that way.