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troad ◴[] No.45062852[source]
You can opt out, but the fact that it's opt-in by default and made to look like a simple T/C update prompt leaves a sour taste in my mouth. The five year retention period seems... excessive. I wonder if they've buried anything else objectionable in the new terms.

It was the kick in the pants I needed to cancel my subscription.

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merelysounds ◴[] No.45063116[source]
> opt-in by default

Nitpicking: “opt in by default” doesn’t exist, it’s either “opt in”, or “opt out”; this is “opt out”. By definition an “opt out” setting is selected by default.

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tln ◴[] No.45065703[source]
> By definition an “opt out” setting is selected by default.

No, (IMO) an "opt out" setting / status is assumed/enabled without asking.

So, I think this is opt-in, until Sept 28.

Opt-in, whether pre-checked/pre-ticked or not, means the business asks you.

GDPR requires "affirmative, opt-in consent", perhaps we use that term to mean an opt-in, not pre-ticked.

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1. whilenot-dev ◴[] No.45066185{3}[source]
Regardless whether it's opt-in or opt-out, the business will need to confirm anything it opted for you by asking. If you don't select the opposing choice in a timely fashion, then the business assumes that it opted correctly in your interest and on your behalf.

> So, I think this is opt-in, until Sept 28.

If the business opted for consent, then you will effectively have the choice for refusal, a.k.a. opt-out.