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485 points zora_goron | 8 comments | 29 Aug 25 00:44 UTC | HN request time: 0.31s | source | bottom
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pjmlp ◴[29 Aug 25 06:07 UTC] No.45060746[source]▶
The irony of this, is that Microsoft was trying to push CoPilot everywhere, however eventually Apple, Google and JetBrains have their own AI integrations, taking CoPilot out of the loop.

Slowly the AI craziness at Microsoft is taking the similar shape, of going all in at the begining and then losing to the competition, that they also had with Web (IE), mobile (Windows CE/Pocket PC/WP 7/WP 8/UWP), the BUILD sessions that used to be all about UWP with the same vigour as they are all AI nowadays, and then puff, competition took over even if they started later, because Microsoft messed up delivery among everyone trying to meet their KPIs and OKRs.

I also love the C++ security improvements on this release.

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1. nonethewiser ◴[29 Aug 25 14:45 UTC] No.45064834[source]▶
>The irony of this, is that Microsoft was trying to push CoPilot everywhere, however eventually Apple, Google and JetBrains have their own AI integrations, taking CoPilot out of the loop.

What is the irony? Microsoft integrated copilot in Vscode, bing, etc. Apple is integrating claude in Xcode, Jetbrains has their own AI.

Microsoft moved first with putting AI into their products then other companies put other AI into their products. Nothing about this seems ironic or in any way surprising.

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2. __alexs ◴[29 Aug 25 14:58 UTC] No.45065007[source]▶
The irony is that most people don't know how to use the word ironic. Personally I blame Alanis Morissette.
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3. ergocoder ◴[29 Aug 25 15:10 UTC] No.45065167[source]▶
Yeah, there's no irony.

Apple and Google will never choose to integrate Microsoft's services or products willingly.

It would have been more surprising if they decided to depend on Microsoft.

4. arcticbull ◴[29 Aug 25 16:38 UTC] No.45066298[source]▶
The irony is biting.
5. pjmlp ◴[29 Aug 25 17:05 UTC] No.45066671[source]▶
The irony is that Microsoft has several cases where it gets there first, only to be left behind when competition catches up.

Bing is irrelevant, VSCode might top in some places, but it is cursor and Claude that people are reaching for, VS is really only used by people like myself that still care about Windows development or console SDKs, otherwise even for .NET people are switching to Rider.

6. SAI_Peregrinus ◴[29 Aug 25 19:02 UTC] No.45068063[source]▶
It's ironic that a song about irony contains no actual examples of irony. But since that's ironic, is it actually an appropriately named song?
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7. yunwal ◴[29 Aug 25 19:59 UTC] No.45068706{3}[source]▶
The song contains many instances of cosmic irony[0], as well as a few instances of other types of irony (e.g. "Well isn't this nice?").

[0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony#Types_of_irony

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8. dreamcompiler ◴[29 Aug 25 20:52 UTC] No.45069269{4}[source]▶
Rain on your wedding day is not cosmic irony or any other kind. It's simply misfortune.