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psychoslave ◴[] No.45062941[source]
What a surprise, a big corp collected large amount of personal data under some promises, and now reveals actually they will exploit it in completely unrelated manner.
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raldi ◴[] No.45063239[source]
“These updates will apply only to new or resumed chats and coding sessions.”

https://www.anthropic.com/news/updates-to-our-consumer-terms

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benterix ◴[] No.45063343[source]
What kind of guarantee do we have this is true?

Meta downloaded copyrighted content and trained their models on it, OpenAI did the same.

Uber developed Greyball to cheat the officials and break the law.

Tesla deletes accident data and reports to the authorities they don't have it.

So forgive me I have zero trust in whatever these companies say.

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1. Aurornis ◴[] No.45063639[source]
> Meta downloaded copyrighted content and trained their models on it, OpenAI did the same

Where did these companies claim they didn’t do this?

Even websites can be covered by copyright. It has always been known that they trained on copyrighted content. The output is considered derivative and therefore it’s not illegal.

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2. benterix ◴[] No.45073587[source]
> The output is considered derivative and therefore it’s not illegal.

Well, this is what they claim. In practice, this is untrue on several levels. First, earlier OpenAI models were able to quote verbatim, and they were maimed later not to do that. Second, there were several lawsuits against OpenAI and not all of them ended. And finally, assuming that courts decide what they did was legal would mean everyone can legally download and use a copy of Libgen (part of "Books3") whereas the courts around the world are doing the opposite and are blocking access to Libgen country by country. So unless you set double standards, something is not right here. Even Meta employees torrenting Lingen knew that so let's not pretend we buy this rhetoric.