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Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

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747 points porridgeraisin | 5 comments | 29 Aug 25 11:29 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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aurareturn ◴[29 Aug 25 11:45 UTC] No.45062782[source]▶
Just opened Claude app on Mac and saw a popup asking me if it's ok to train on my chats. It's on by default. Unchecked it.

I think Claude saw that OpenAI was reaping too much benefit from this so they decided to do it too.

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demarq ◴[29 Aug 25 11:47 UTC] No.45062800[source]▶
Also your chats will now be stored for 5 years.
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aurareturn ◴[29 Aug 25 11:52 UTC] No.45062821[source]▶
I used to not care about this stuff but with the way this administration is going about things, I suddenly care very much about it.
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bayindirh ◴[29 Aug 25 11:58 UTC] No.45062871[source]▶
Trusting companies more than the government always feels strange. It's something I can't grasp.
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sokoloff ◴[29 Aug 25 12:18 UTC] No.45063100[source]▶
The government has the direct power to imprison me or seize my property if cross them.

It seems strange to not be able to grasp the difference in kind here.

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1. bayindirh ◴[29 Aug 25 12:21 UTC] No.45063136[source]▶
What happens if your Google account is locked out because you shared your son's pictures to his M.D. because of an ongoing treatment?

What happens the same company locks all your book drafts because an algorithm deemed that you're plotting something against someone?

Both are real events, BTW.

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2. sokoloff ◴[29 Aug 25 12:25 UTC] No.45063160[source]▶
I think I missed the part where Google imprisoned someone.

The government forces me to do business with them; if I don't pay them tens (and others hundreds) of thousands of dollars every year they will send people with guns to imprison me and eventually other people with guns to seize my property.

Me willingly giving Google some data and them capriciously deciding to not always give it back doesn't seem anything like the same to me. (It doesn't mean I like what Google's doing, but they have nowhere near the power of the group that legally owns and uses tanks.)

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3. bayindirh ◴[29 Aug 25 12:30 UTC] No.45063213[source]▶
Their life effectively stopped since they are locked out of everything, forever. Not forgetting that the first guy's son's pictures are ended in a CSAM database and he lost his account permanently, and Google didn't give his account back [0].

A company "applied what the law said", and refused that they made a mistake and overreached. Which is generally attributed to governments.

So, I you missed the effects of this little binary flag on their life.

[0]: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/aug/22/google-cs...

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4. sokoloff ◴[29 Aug 25 12:38 UTC] No.45063293{3}[source]▶
> Their life effectively stopped since they are locked out of everything

What?! Google locked them out of Google. I'm sure they can still get search, email, and cloud services from many other providers.

The government can lock you away in a way that is far more impactful and much closer to "life stopped; locked out of everything" than "you can't have the data you gave us back".

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5. degamad ◴[29 Aug 25 13:04 UTC] No.45063591{4}[source]▶
Being locked out of your email which is the user name for most of the services you access is a lot more than "you can't have your data back". It's you can't log on to anything which uses email 2fa, you can't restore access to other services, you can't validate your identity with online government services, you don't get your bank statements or warnings, etc. It's not as bad as being arrested, but it is massively disruptive to your life.