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    485 points zora_goron | 12 comments | 29 Aug 25 00:44 UTC | HN request time: 0.001s | source | bottom
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    pjmlp ◴[29 Aug 25 06:07 UTC] No.45060746[source]▶
    The irony of this, is that Microsoft was trying to push CoPilot everywhere, however eventually Apple, Google and JetBrains have their own AI integrations, taking CoPilot out of the loop.

    Slowly the AI craziness at Microsoft is taking the similar shape, of going all in at the begining and then losing to the competition, that they also had with Web (IE), mobile (Windows CE/Pocket PC/WP 7/WP 8/UWP), the BUILD sessions that used to be all about UWP with the same vigour as they are all AI nowadays, and then puff, competition took over even if they started later, because Microsoft messed up delivery among everyone trying to meet their KPIs and OKRs.

    I also love the C++ security improvements on this release.

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    raincole ◴[29 Aug 25 07:50 UTC] No.45061358[source]▶
    Microsoft owns 49% of OpenAI so why they should worry? JetBrains just proudly announce that they now use GPT-5 by default.

    > going all in at the begining and then losing to the competition

    Sure, but there are counter examples too. Microsoft went late to the party of cloud computing. Today Azure is their main money printing machine. At some point Visual Studio seemed to be a legacy app only used for Windows-specific app development. Then they released VSCode and boom! It became the most popular editor by a huge margin[0].

    [0]: https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2025/technology#most-popular...

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    theshrike79 ◴[29 Aug 25 08:27 UTC] No.45061585[source]▶
    Anecdotally: Azure is the Teams of cloud services - nobody uses it voluntarily or because it's technically the best solution.

    They use it because the corporation mandates it.

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    1. ryanjshaw ◴[29 Aug 25 09:24 UTC] No.45061954[source]▶
    I’ve used Meet, Slack, Zoom and Teams extensively. Teams beats the others by miles in my opinion.
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    2. pjmlp ◴[29 Aug 25 11:16 UTC] No.45062617[source]▶
    One day we will be able to have threaded conversations....
    3. const_cast ◴[29 Aug 25 12:20 UTC] No.45063119[source]▶
    Zoom is pretty good for video meetings and especially for video conferences. I've never tried to use it for chat, but I imagine it's pretty lackluster. The really nice thing about teams is that it does both in one place.

    But you know what's super underrated and I think could really take a hold on the business world? Discord! The video calls are so good! And multiple streams at the same time? Zoom can't do that!

    The channels, too, just blow everything teams has out of the water. The video quality is better, its way faster, has more features, and they actually work. The audio filtering stuff actually works.

    I really think with the right marketing they could take over the world. Honestly can't believe they haven't tried it yet.

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    4. marliechiller ◴[29 Aug 25 12:31 UTC] No.45063228[source]▶
    is this sarcasm? Teams is by far the worst ive used out of those mentioned
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    5. PapaPalpatine ◴[29 Aug 25 12:51 UTC] No.45063435[source]▶
    Yeah, if it’s not sarcasm, it’s a very good indicator that their opinion should be ignored because no one in their right mind would say Teams is better.
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    6. hu3 ◴[29 Aug 25 13:16 UTC] No.45063731[source]▶
    I used to hate Teams but they seem to have fixed it for me.

    It works decently enough in web, mobile and desktop.

    7. giancarlostoro ◴[29 Aug 25 13:34 UTC] No.45063929[source]▶
    Well... Slack feels like they have one person working on it dev wise, I havent used Meet in a while, but if its still a in-browser only thing, yikes, and Zoom... that is some legacy feeling app, I dont know how anyone can love Zoom. They bought out KeyBase and didn't even build a better platform. KeyBase was top tier, I'm still sour that the dev team basically stopped maintaining KeyBase after Zoom bought them out.

    Teams took the best bits from Skype and whatever that other service Microsoft had for businesses and their phones and started over basically.

    I still have pet peeves about Teams (like why dont the 'Teams' within Teams have proper group chats like Slack would, its ridiculous!) but it could be way worse. After years of screensharing hell I can finally move the stupid top bar out of my way when trying to hit 'Debug' within Visual Studio at least.

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    8. dcow ◴[29 Aug 25 14:33 UTC] No.45064652[source]▶
    Keybase works entirely fine to this day. What sucks is everyone stopped using it solely to retaliate against the acquisition with thin justifications in speculation that Zoom would ruin keybase. Well that didn't happen, Keybase’s own users ruined Keybase. And now everyone just uses Discord because I guess the encryption didn't actually matter when it counted. Sad but familiar security story.
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    9. giancarlostoro ◴[29 Aug 25 14:45 UTC] No.45064833{3}[source]▶
    Agree. I stopped using it because its basically frozen, I dont think they've done any updates, the lights are on but nobody's home.

    If anyone who was an original stakeholder for Keybase is reading this, please bring it back in some way someday. I'm assuming Zoom probably made you guys sign some insane non-compete sadly.

    In a sea of garbage chat services all built using Electron and other bloatware, Keybase was a breath of fresh air.

    10. no_wizard ◴[29 Aug 25 15:19 UTC] No.45065285[source]▶
    They would need to do a lot of alterations to make Discord viable in the business world, but I do agree the bones of the platform are miles ahead of Slack or Teams.

    It’s a shame they don’t have an enterprise / business tailored product based on it

    11. CharlesW ◴[29 Aug 25 17:32 UTC] No.45067032{3}[source]▶
    Teams is objectively better, but it's hard to beat the emotional connection that geeks have to Slack from its pre-Salesforce days.
    12. pac0 ◴[29 Aug 25 19:26 UTC] No.45068332[source]▶
    You are joking right?