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485 points zora_goron | 3 comments | 29 Aug 25 00:44 UTC | HN request time: 0.001s | source
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not_your_vase ◴[29 Aug 25 05:23 UTC] No.45060519[source]▶
3 days ago I saw another Claude praising submission on HN, and finally I signed up for it, to compare it with copilot.

I asked 2 things.

1. Create a boilerplate Zephyr project skeleton, for Pi Pico with st7789 spi display drivers configured. It generated garbage devicetree which didn't even compile. When I pointed it out, it apologized and generated another one that didn't compile. It configured also non-existent drivers, and for some reason it enabled monkey test support (but not test support).

2. I asked it to create 7x10 monochromatic pixelmaps, as C integer arrays, for numeric characters, 0-9. I also gave an example. It generated them, but number eight looked like zero. (There was no cross in ether 0 nor 8, so it wasn't that. Both were just a ring)

What am I doing wrong? Or is this really the state of the art?

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OtherShrezzing ◴[29 Aug 25 06:15 UTC] No.45060786[source]▶
It’s good at doing stuff like “host this all in Docker. Make a Postgres database with a Users table. Make a FastAPI CRUD endpoint for Users. Make a React site with a homepage, login page, and user dashboard”.

It’ll successfully produce _something_ like that, because there’s millions of examples of those technologies online. If you do anything remotely niche, you need to hold its hand far more.

The more complicated your requirements are, the closer you are to having “spicy autocomplete”. If you’re just making a crud react app, you can talk in high level natural language.

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fx0x309 ◴[29 Aug 25 06:50 UTC] No.45061001[source]▶
In other words, the vibe coders of this world are just redundant noobs who don't really belong on the marketplace. They've written the same bullshit CRUD app every month for the past couple of years and now they've turned to AI to speed things up
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1. LinuxAmbulance ◴[29 Aug 25 07:30 UTC] No.45061233[source]▶
I think the majority of coders out there write the same CRUD app over and over again in different flavors. That's what the majority of businesses seem to pay for.

If a business needs the equivalent of a Toyota Corolla, why be upset about the factory workers making the millionth Toyota Corolla?

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2. shafyy ◴[29 Aug 25 08:17 UTC] No.45061515[source]▶
> I think the majority of coders out there write the same CRUD app over and over again in different flavors

In my experience, that's not entirely true. Sure, a lot of app are CRUD apps, but they are not the same. The spice lies in the business logic, not in programming the CRUD operations. And then of course, scaling, performance, security, organization, etc etc.

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3. reverius42 ◴[29 Aug 25 10:59 UTC] No.45062501[source]▶
Good thing LLMs are really good at unique business logic, scaling, performance, security, organization, etc etc.!

(edit: /s to indicate sarcasm)