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fibers ◴[] No.45052852[source]
The accounting note is not true in the traditional sense. The field in the US is just getting offshored to India/PH/Eastern Europe for better or for worse. There is even a big push to lower the educational requirements to attain licensure in the US (Big 4 partners want more bodies and are destroying the pipeline for US students). Audit quality will continue to suffer and public filers will issue bunk financials if they aren't properly attested to.
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raincole ◴[] No.45059205[source]
It's amusing to see programmers in the US promoting remote work.

Do those people really believe they're the most intellectually superior to the rest of the world? If a job can be done purely remotely, what stops the employer from hiring someone who lives in a cheaper place?

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elevation ◴[] No.45060951[source]
As a US-based developer I do not feel threatened by the "cheap" offshore developers I encounter. I've repeatedly been hired to clean up after offshore developers who:

* lied about their capabilities/experience to get the job,

* failed to grok requirements through the language barrier,

* were unable to fix critical bugs in their own code base,

* committed buggy chatgpt output verbatim,

* and could not be held liable because their firm is effectively beyond the reach of the US legal system.

In a couple of projects I've seen a single US based developer replace an entire offshore team, deliver a superior result, and provide management with a much more responsive communication loop, in 1% of the billable hours. The difference in value is so stark that one client even fired the VP who'd lead the offshoring boondoggle.

Software talent is simply not as fungible as some MBAs would like to believe.

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1. CalRobert ◴[] No.45061175[source]
For a counterpoint, I’ve worked with many great engineers in Latin America who are smart, capable, and in the same time zones as the US
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2. i_am_proteus ◴[] No.45061974[source]
Likewise! Though Latin American engineers also tend to be some of the priciest offshore developers (along with European engineers). Excellent engineers, but there's still some churn from the friction of hiring and maintaining teams overseas.
3. antonymoose ◴[] No.45062479[source]
I’ve worked with awful, stereotypically garbage offshore teams. I’ve worked with quality offshore teams. The difference was money. The quality teams made less than, but nearly as much as an American worker. Maybe not a FAANG guy or a New York / SF worker, but all those small cities in flyover states? They came in 20-30k under, perhaps.

Language l, cultural, and time barriers still come into play regardless of how good they are, however.

4. nsxwolf ◴[] No.45064502[source]
We find it incredibly hard to hire these people. It turns out a lot of US companies are also interested in smart, capable, cheap engineers in Central Time Zone.
5. red-iron-pine ◴[] No.45065698[source]
As posted above, we had great success with Mexican hires out of Mexico City.

General perception was the universities there produced qualified graduates who were not paper tigers (or didn't lie about creds).

Rates for them were pretty good, and we had better alignment with timezones and holidays.

Reasonably good alignment in terms of legal and HR issues -- easier to enforce than, like, Bangladesh

The NAFTA / USMCA / whatever its called now Visa made it easy for them to come across the border for a few years as well. Pay bump for a while plus a chance to work in HQ or the IT office directly, make fat stacks, and then rotate back to MX and buy a nice house. The Mexico City PMs were also instrumental for bridging the language gap when running projects in other LATAM countries.

Trump's ICE might be the end of that approach tho

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6. CalRobert ◴[] No.45075000[source]
Maybe it makes sense to start sending Americans to CDMX... It's a city I'd love to spend some time in.