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keeganpoppen ◴[] No.45058084[source]
i will say that though i am predisposed to appreciate and agree with an article like this, any sort of value proposition around "some users don't want javascript" just doesn't... hit for me. and, mind you: i am a card-carrying arch user and have spent more time messing with browser scripting and web crawling, and am more of a True Believer than most. it's just such a niche user preference that i think it should largely be simply ignored. yes, i would love the world to be better for the "noscript" universe, no, i don't think that any individual "grassroots" effort should stake itself on "no javascript" being any part of its utility. i think there are a million other reasons why CSS should win out that are more compelling than an appeal to what feels, extremely ironically, like a callback to the "but 10% of your users use IE6" days... all in all, yes: this is somewhat of a minor point wrt. to the article (which btw i think is great), but i am just calling the "trend", such as it is / has been, for what (i think) it is.
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bee_rider ◴[] No.45058381[source]
They mention the users who don’t want JavaScript as an aside, but most of the post is devoted to just showing the CSS functionality off.

The other motivation mentioned is performance. But they don’t belabor the whole motivation thing anyway. IMO that’s a good, focusing on showing off the tech seems more productive anyway.

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1. hilbert42 ◴[] No.45060193[source]
Well, I'm one who defaults to browsing with JavaScript off and turning it on only when strictly necessary. For me, the advantages of no JS are so compelling that I can't see me changing unless some major paradigm shift in browsing were to take place to upend the advantage.

It's not JavaScript that I'm against but the many abuses that websites inflict on users—privacy violations, pages of many tens of megabytes long but which only contain some 10k or so of text, the incredibility slow page load times, etc., etc.

As far as I'm concerned CSS is capable of just about anything I require of a webpage.

It seems a shame that not more users are aware of browsing sans JS with a button to turn it on and off. After experiencing the advantages it's quickly habit-forming. The increase in speed of page loads alone justifies killing JS.