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Aspects of modern HTML/CSS you may not be familiar with

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451 points todsacerdoti | 2 comments | 28 Aug 25 20:49 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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keeganpoppen ◴[28 Aug 25 23:12 UTC] No.45058084[source]▶
i will say that though i am predisposed to appreciate and agree with an article like this, any sort of value proposition around "some users don't want javascript" just doesn't... hit for me. and, mind you: i am a card-carrying arch user and have spent more time messing with browser scripting and web crawling, and am more of a True Believer than most. it's just such a niche user preference that i think it should largely be simply ignored. yes, i would love the world to be better for the "noscript" universe, no, i don't think that any individual "grassroots" effort should stake itself on "no javascript" being any part of its utility. i think there are a million other reasons why CSS should win out that are more compelling than an appeal to what feels, extremely ironically, like a callback to the "but 10% of your users use IE6" days... all in all, yes: this is somewhat of a minor point wrt. to the article (which btw i think is great), but i am just calling the "trend", such as it is / has been, for what (i think) it is.
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rebane2001 ◴[28 Aug 25 23:39 UTC] No.45058259[source]▶
fwiw, i've been using the internet with noscript and i find it perfectly usable

for any sites that do need js, i simply enable it for them from the extension, so it never gets in the way with sites i use regularly

it's pretty nice for performance/battery and security

have you ever tried living with noscript for over a week? i feel like your perspective could be a bit mislead, because i felt the exact same way as you before i started using noscript

disclaimer: i'm the author of the blogpost

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1. 1vuio0pswjnm7 ◴[29 Aug 25 04:20 UTC] No.45060150[source]▶
"have you ever tried living with noscript for over a week?"

I have been living without Javascript, and without a mouse, for over 20 years

When I began using the web, Javascript did not exist

Extracting text for reading and downloading files keeps getting easier every year

I generally avoid using a browser to make HTTP requests; I sometimes use a text-only browser to read saved HTML (offline)

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2. hilbert42 ◴[29 Aug 25 05:07 UTC] No.45060425[source]▶
Exactly, I too have been sans JS for as long—before it came on the scene.

As I implied in my earlier post most users these days don't realize the advantages of turning off JS. Trouble is, most browser manufacturers make it difficult to disable JS, either there's no switch in the settings or it's buried so deep it's essentially dysfunctional. Here I'd especially single out Mozilla with Firefox, one could once easily disable JS but the function was removed I suspect after pressure from Google—as you would know without JS ads are almost a non event.

On Android I use Privacy Browser which makes it dead easy to turn JS off and on, and on Windows and Linux it's Pale Moon with a plugin that provides a one-click switch.

Seems to me too little is made of these advantages in tech sites such as HN—although that's not surprising given that many here make a living from JS programming and are paid by companies who financially benefit from sending mega-sized JS-loaded pages to web users.