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simonw ◴[] No.45054022[source]
https://www.axios.com/2025/08/15/sam-altman-gpt5-launch-chat... quotes Sam Altman saying:

> Most of what we're building out at this point is the inference [...] We're profitable on inference. If we didn't pay for training, we'd be a very profitable company.

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aeternum ◴[] No.45054102[source]
This can be technically true without being actually true.

IE OpenAI invests in Cursor/Windsurf/Startups that give away credits to users and make heavy use of inference API. Money flows back to OpenAI then OpenAI sends it back to those companies via credits/investment $.

It's even more circular in this case because nvidia is also funding companies that generate significant inference.

It'll be quite difficult to figure out whether it's actually profitable until the new investment dollars start to dry up.

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citizenpaul ◴[] No.45055299[source]
There a journalist ed zittron

https://www.wheresyoured.at/

That is an openai skeptic. His research if correct says not only is openai unprofitable but it likely never will be. Can't be ,its various finance ratios make early uber, amazon ect look downright fiscally frugal.

He is not a tech person for what that means to you.

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dcre ◴[] No.45056292[source]
Zitron is not a serious analyst.

https://bsky.app/profile/davidcrespo.bsky.social/post/3lxale...

https://bsky.app/profile/davidcrespo.bsky.social/post/3lo22k...

https://bsky.app/profile/davidcrespo.bsky.social/post/3lwhhz...

https://bsky.app/profile/davidcrespo.bsky.social/post/3lv2dx...

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jrflowers ◴[] No.45057396[source]
Ed Zitron: I don’t think OpenAI will become profitable

The link you posted: I think it is very plausible that it will be hard for OpenAI to become profitable

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1. dcre ◴[] No.45057610[source]
Are you referring to the post where I listed 4 claims and marked one ridiculous, one wrong, one unlikely, and one plausible?

He is not wrong about everything. For example, after Sam Altman said in January that OpenAI would introduce a model picker, Zitron was able to predict in March that OpenAI would introduce a model picker. And he was right about that.

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2. jrflowers ◴[] No.45057863[source]
Yes. In this thread about the profitability (or lack thereof) of OpenAI’s business model, I pointed out the part where you appeared to agree with Ed Zitron about the profitability (or lack thereof) of OpenAI’s business model. Like it seems like all of those posts were pretty clearly motivated by wanting to poke holes in Zitron’s criticism, their lack of profitability (which is central to his criticism) is where you declined to push back with any real argument.