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brandall10 ◴[] No.45047771[source]
FWIW, I used to use a light and sound machine (Mindplace Procyon) and was able to induce these states with minimal effort. And I had a couple dozen experiences w/ psilocybin in my college years, so I'm well versed in what they should be like.

The goggles w/ binaural beats create some weird sort of state where I don't feel any connection to my environment. After only a couple minutes my body turns to total mush and my brain comes alive with phosphene visuals. By about 15 minutes in, my stomach usually gurgles a bit, not unlike the indigestion that often accompanies psychedelic trips.

Interestingly enough, these machines are marketed as brainwave entrainment, but the literature on that says the visual component doesn't really have much impact. Yet auditory entrainment on its own doesn't seem to do much for me either, or at least, not convincing enough beyond placebo.

There is an app for the iPhone called Lumenate that uses the LED flash and it seems to work, though it's not as strong for me as the multi-LED goggles I used to use. Still, it's a great gateway for those who are curious.

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1. DiggyJohnson ◴[] No.45053653[source]
> phosphene visuals

Any more detail on this? Never heard this terminology before

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2. brandall10 ◴[] No.45053786[source]
It's one of the terms used to describe the eyes-closed visuals one can get on a psychedelic trip.

It's a bit of a misnomer in this case as light helps induce it but the effect is similar.

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3. elxavit0 ◴[] No.45053989[source]
It sounds like the state I've been able to get myself into a few times when I've been super tired, and then put some headphones on, close my eyes and focus on a central light in the dark. All the while listening to edm similar to Stutter house and other binaural beats. And that's it.

The first time I did this unexpectedly was a trip. I can't do this at will, and ignored it for a long time. I've recently started trying to see if I can control into it. I come out of this in an alert and super-relaxed state when I can get into that state.

edit: Forgot to mention that those "phosphene visuals" are exactly how I know I'm in this state.