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pityJuke ◴[] No.45051892[source]
From https://www.theverge.com/command-line-newsletter/759897/sam-..., Sam Altman said:

> “If we didn’t pay for training, we’d be a very profitable company.”

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Aurornis ◴[] No.45052467[source]
Exactly. All of the claims that OpenAI is losing money on every request are wrong. OpenAI hasn’t even unlocked all of their possible revenue opportunities from the free tier such as ads (like Google search), affiliate links, and other services.

There’s also a lot of comments in this thread who want LLM companies to fail for different reasons, so they’re projecting that wish on to imagined unit economics.

I’m having flashbacks to all of the conversations about Uber and claims that it was going to collapse as soon as the investment money ran out. Then Uber gradually transitioned to profitability and the critics moved to using the same shtick on AI companies.

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1. pessimizer ◴[] No.45053106[source]
No, the argument is that Uber was going to lose money hand over fist until all of the alternatives were starved to death, then raise prices infinitely.
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2. StableAlkyne ◴[] No.45053851[source]
Taxis sucked. Any disruptor who was willing to just... Tell people what the cost would be ahead of time without scamming them, and show up when they said they would, was going to win.

Uber (and Lyft) didn't starve the alternatives: they were already severely malnourished. Also, they found a loophole to get around the medallion system in several cities, which taxi owners used in an incredibly anticompetitive fashion to prevent new competition.

Just because Uber used a shitty business practice to deliver the killing blow doesn't mean their competition were undeserving of the loss, or that the traditional taxis weren't without a lot of shady practices.

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3. oblio ◴[] No.45056197[source]
Spoiler alert: in most of the world taxis are still there and at best Uber is just another app you can use to call them.

And lifetime profits for Uber are still at best break even which means that unless you timed the market perfectly, Uber probably lost you money as a shareholder.

Uber is just distorted in valuation by its presence in big US metro areas (which basically have no realistic transportation alternative).