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AnotherGoodName ◴[] No.45045883[source]
This was called the TLM role at google. Technical Lead/Manager. You were expected to code and manage a couple of more junior engineers.

It’s part of an effort to have dedicated managers and dedicated engineers instead of hybrid roles.

This is being sold as an efficiency win for the sake of the stock price but it’s really just moved a few people around with the TLMs now 100% focused on programming.

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corytheboyd ◴[] No.45046446[source]
TLM role has always sounded like a trap to me, I would never say yes to it personally. I’m sure it’s sold as an expected 50% code, 50% management but everyone I’ve talked to who has been near it says the expectation is more like 80% code 80% management.
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xenotux ◴[] No.45046592[source]
TLM roles are a trap, but not in that sense. There's no expectation that you do two jobs at once.

It's just a way to ease unsuspecting engineers into management. If you don't suck at management, your team inevitably grows (or you're handed over other teams), and before long, you're managing full-time.

Which means that there are three type of people who remain TLMs in the long haul: those who suck at management; those managing dead-end projects on dead-end teams; or those who desperately cling on to the engineering past and actively refuse to take on more people. From a corporate point of view, none of these situations are great, hence the recent pushback against TLM roles in the industry.

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kelnos ◴[] No.45049028[source]
> There's no expectation that you do two jobs at once.

I laughed out loud when I read this. I've never seen anyone at any company in a hybrid tech/manager role that wasn't expected to do two jobs at once. Or at least they felt like they were, which is still the same problem.

80% coding & 80% management for that role sounds about right.

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1. bbarnett ◴[] No.45050846{3}[source]
Most work 40 to 50 hrs per week. Some places even a more extreme 60.

For this to be accurate, you're saying 160% aka 1.6 or 64 to 80 hrs per week, with 96hrs as the extreme?

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2. const_cast ◴[] No.45051306[source]
I mean, 64 - 80 hours a week can be the expectation, and then it's just that almost nobody is living up to the expectation.

Anecdotally, a hybrid technical manager I had in the past worked 60 hours a week pretty much minimum. Which sucks.