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miki123211 ◴[] No.45045491[source]
Is there even such a thing as a "Mississippi IP?"

I.E. Are US ISPs, particularly big ones like Comcast, required to geolocate ISPs to the state where the person is actually in? What about mobile ones?

Where I live (not US), it is extremely common to get an IP that Maxmind geolocates to a region far from where you actually live.

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kube-system ◴[] No.45045616[source]
GeoIP services are not 100% accurate, but that doesn't mean they're completely useless.

The law in question requires "commercially reasonable efforts"

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beefnugs ◴[] No.45045851[source]
Remember that massive surveillance capitalism apparatus that has been created for years? Now everyone must pay for it to legally comply with whatever arbitrary bullshit no matter how expensive the data becomes
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gruez ◴[] No.45046366{3}[source]
>Remember that massive surveillance capitalism apparatus that has been created for years? Now everyone must pay for it to legally comply with whatever arbitrary bullshit

Calling geoip databases "surveillance capitalism" seems like a stretch. It might be used by "surveillance capitalism", but you don't really have to surveil people to build a geoip database, only scrape RIR allocation records (all public, btw) and BGP routes, do ping tests, and parse geofeeds provided by providers. None of that is "surveillance capitalism" in any meaningful sense.

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TGower ◴[] No.45046455{4}[source]
If selling the physical location information of users isn't surveillance capatalism, then the term doesn't mean anything. "We don't surveil people, we just try to find out where they live and sell that data"
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gruez ◴[] No.45046497{5}[source]
If that's "surveillance capitalism", what's your opinion on databases that map phone numbers to locations? eg. when you get a phone call from 217-555-1234, and it shows "Springfield, IL"? Is that "surveillance capitalism"? That's basically all geoip databases are. Moreover there's plenty of non "surveillance capitalism" uses for geoip that make it questionable to call it "surveillance capitalism". Determining the region for a site, or automatically selecting the closest store, for instance. Before the advent of anycast CDNs, it was also basically the only way to route your visitors to the closest server.
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TGower ◴[] No.45046732{6}[source]
Is there a single company out there making it's money selling access to an area code database? GeoIP databases are much higher resolution and use active scanning methods like ping timing. If a company was spam calling me to estimate distance based on call connection lag, yes that would be surveillance capitalism.
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1. kube-system ◴[] No.45048270{7}[source]
There are companies out there making money selling any kind of data you can imagine. A quick search shows dozens of companies offering this data for sale.