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1. ada1981 ◴[] No.45047471[source]
I run a psychedelic breath work group called BioMythic.com and we've worked with YC founders and teams and other Unicorn's like Bombas.

Happy to offer a free virtual session for founders if there is interest here, as our work is always gifted.

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2. tomhow ◴[] No.45047631[source]
People have been downvoting and flagging this but I've turned off flags, and we see no harm in sharing a product/service that's genuinely relevant to the topic. I know from personal experience it's hard to find good practitioners to help with this work so I think it's fine that people interested in the topic can connect with someone who can provide further information and offer a service that people may choose to try. That's always fine on HN if it's relevant to the topic.
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3. tern ◴[] No.45047679[source]
There's no generally good way to vet stuff like this. My recommendation: if you're interested and haven't done it before, find a friend (or friend of a friend) who has and ask them for a personal recommendation.

If you want to take a low-woo course on it, here's one: https://www.nsmastery.com/ (I know Jonny, but I'm not affiliated and I haven't taken his course.)

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4. noduerme ◴[] No.45047747[source]
There should be some sort of, like, trusted bureau that gives a woo-level ranking to these things. Massage therapy boards and such are too busy unsuccessfully rooting out human trafficking on the other side of the self-help spectrum.

As an aside, and in all seriousness, how well would this works for a self-medicated functional alcoholic who thinks breathing exercises involve rolling a cigarette first? Does one have to be one of the self-congratulatory "healthy" and swear off vices to benefit from this, or is it something you can do before you head off to the bar?

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5. fragmede ◴[] No.45047869{3}[source]
What's the woo-issue? If you go on a $30,000 retreat to find yourself, first off, where'd you get $30 grand to do that with, but if you're going to spend that much on that, does it really matter what mystical energy the shaman believes in? So it's machine elves vs Gaia vs we're living in a simulation. It's not like there are numbers for this kind of thing. Before I went in, I scored 78 on the "how lost am I", and then at place A, for $30,000, and 1 month, I was only scoring 20 on the "how lost am I" scale, so $517 per point. Place B is $300 per point on the "how lost am I" scale, but takes more time.
6. colechristensen ◴[] No.45048076{3}[source]
>Does one have to be one of the self-congratulatory "healthy" and swear off vices to benefit from this, or is it something you can do before you head off to the bar?

This is... well it's much more of a direct physical response so no you don't need to have any particular uh mental states or be self-convinced of some woo.

Have you ever hyperventilated until you felt lightheadded? You can do this on purpose right now with no training or conditioning your thoughts or anything and there you go, you've got neurological effects from breathing.

This technique is just advanced "hyperventilating until you feel lightheaded".

If you've got a medical condition you might want to reconsider or be very careful about getting the right information before you try.

7. ada1981 ◴[] No.45048574[source]
Thanks. My work has been featured on national television with PBS as I was the first person to openly administer underground mdma on national TV.

My relevant experience is here: http://earthpilot.ai/cv

That said, I agree that finding trusted people is a process and I’ve seen people really get messed up from bad practitioners in the psychedelic / transformational space.

Anyhow, thanks for allowing the sharing of this.

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8. ada1981 ◴[] No.45048606{3}[source]
Holographic breathwork was developed as a result of psychedelic prohibition by Stan Grof. He was having great luck with LSD for alcoholism and then prohibition stopped that research. Breathwork was developed as a way to induce the same states of conciousness and it’s proved to be effective.

Basic idea is addictions are largely driven by unresolved trauma and breathwork / transpersonal practice is a way to allow the nervous system to release and shift into a healthier state where the desires to numb with substances diminishes.

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9. ada1981 ◴[] No.45048614[source]
http://biomythic.com

Just leaving a clickable link since there is interest.

Also my relevant work is here: http://earthpilot.ai/cv

10. buildsjets ◴[] No.45048848{4}[source]
Holotropic breathwork, not holographic. Your breathing becomes more complete, it does not become a multidimensional fractal.

Unless you do it for a really long time of course. But 5g in silent darkness is a lot more reliable if you want that.

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11. WA ◴[] No.45048911[source]
That is just a different kind of woo. It’s an excellent sales page, targeted at tech bros consuming the typical podcasts of presumably high achievers, written in a language that makes them shell out $1,500 without thinking twice.

I guess this page converts extremely well and yet, from a distance, this looks no less woo than what you get from your more esoteric leaning snake oil vendor.

12. zealtrace ◴[] No.45049049[source]
I may be misreading, but it sounds like you’re offering this to people that work together? I have trouble seeing how someone, particularly a vulnerable individual, can freely consent given the combination of group dynamics and their livelihood being involved.

I find it concerning you list experience providing psychotherapy in clinical practice on your CV. These terms are strongly associated with someone who has specific training, a license, and is answerable to an ethics board. It may give a mistaken impression to someone who is considering working with you.

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14. tomhow ◴[] No.45049828[source]
I can believe you're well-intentioned, but we don't need comments like this on HN. The guidelines [1] address this style of commenting in different ways:

Converse curiously; don't cross-examine.

Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.

Don't be curmudgeonly. Thoughtful criticism is fine, but please don't be rigidly or generically negative.

Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.

I know it feels important to protect vulnerable people from being harmed by frauds, and related concerns. But we can safely assume that HN readers are reasonably competent and discerning adults, who can make up their own mind about these things.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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15. latexr ◴[] No.45051110[source]
> Happy to offer a free virtual session for founders

Why specifically for founders? Founders of what? Tech founders specifically? Again, why single those out?

> our work is always gifted.

From your website:

> This is the type of experience is usually reserved for my year long ALCHEMY clients. The Alchemists happily pay thousands a month to access these tools and my time

So is it always gifted, or does it usually cost thousands a month?

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16. latexr ◴[] No.45051340{3}[source]
I have nothing but respect for the work of moderating HN, I have no doubt it’s incredibly difficult. I also wonder if you’d be getting downvoted if more people realised who you are (as a non-mod who occasionally cites the rules and tries to be respectful while doing so, I know it isn’t a popular stance).

All that said, I too disagree with this point:

> But we can safely assume that HN readers are reasonably competent and discerning adults, who can make up their own mind about these things.

On the contrary, we can safely assume HN readers include teens and younger.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4653053

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22883469

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5947260

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14137926

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34059645

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=135494

I simply opened the HN search, did not change any defaults, and searched “I am” then 14 and 12. I didn’t even click through the second page of each. Those posts are old (they were ordered by popularity by default) but the point stands.

Even regarding adults I must disagree. Bad actors often actively try to hide their actions, so finding and reporting what could be harmful is useful and a service to the community. We all have our blind spots and are gullible in certain areas, or may just be having a lazy day and not doing due diligence. The HN community is in no way immune to human faults and biases.

I’m just one data point but I didn’t find your parent post disrespectful or unreasonably negative, and their questions were valid. It didn’t feel like a post deserving of rebuff.

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17. ada1981 ◴[] No.45052224[source]
Hey thanks for asking.

BioMythic is something we’ve always gifted to the community as a way for folks to gain group access to some of the same tools that our 1:1 coaching clients get access to in our Alchemy program (which is also waitlisted / full as of now).

We work with all sorts of folks, including founders who both seem to be a large part of the YC community and who often face incredibly challenging mental and emotional obstacles that are unique.

I’ve personally overcome and healed using these tools and would like to help prevent other people from the time and pain I went through, and to prevent us losing any more creative visionaries.

I hope that clarifies things.

18. ada1981 ◴[] No.45052234{5}[source]
Yes. Typo!
19. ada1981 ◴[] No.45052362[source]
1. BioMythic Breathwork is traditionally done in a group setting. We have done it both with teams as well as individual people. Some people don’t feel comfortable in a group setting, which is also fine — no pressure from us to participate.

2. I can understand that re confusing terms and will have my team update that - this is a newer CV that was compiled for a talk I’m giving with Paul Stamets and Rick Doblin and am happy for the feedback. I ran an underground clinic specifically because you couldn’t be licensed at that time.

I don’t say or intend to imply I’m licensed by anyone.

In fact, my personal healing came from well outside the mainstream which I found to be counter productive to the growth I was looking for.

I regularly consult and work with licensed folks, MDs, etc. either advising or who would refer people to me to support outside of what they could provide.

I no longer run the clinic and now advise, coach or help folks integrate experiences.

Also note to mods, this feels like a valid question — I wish people would question practitioners and approaches more in any healing field.

I recall reading every primary research paper I could find over a period of 90 days and then questioning my psychiatrist on their approaches and sort of getting no real answers.

20. ada1981 ◴[] No.45052405[source]
I re-read this re group dynamics.

The majority of our work has been a group of individuals who have opted in.

In the case of teams, some founders have asked if we could offer this during Covid or during the war starting in Ukraine and offered it as an interesting free activity. Not everyone came and the vibe felt fine.

But I can also see your concern about that and it’s valid. We have had a couple people that initially came and said they weren’t comfortable and it was totally fine for them to leave. It’s also been outside of work time so people choose to come on their own time.

21. zealtrace ◴[] No.45070857{3}[source]
I agree my reply would be improved if reframed to be less cross-examining, particularly given I was responding to two different comments at once. That said, the substance I raised is around services that were shared, and something a business owner in the mental health field can be fairly expected to receive feedback on.

I have benefited from psychedelics. I have also spent a lot of time with many survivors of severe domestic abuse / IPV / coercive control. Inducing psychedelic states in a workplace context in general would give me pause, but particularly so since it is likely to involve this population. The lifetime prevalence for US women is about 25%[1], and 10% for men[2], so this is a live issue in a workplace of any size.

I disagree that it's reasonable to expect readers to fully assess these service offerings. Issues around informed consent when doing psychological/spiritual work are complex and benefit from many perspectives. This is one of the reasons mental health is a regulated industry, with strict rules around client relationships, and ongoing ethics classes required to maintain licensure. If this were a piece of software impacting human health and I saw such potential technical issues, I would raise those as well.

I don’t believe this person is a fraud, and did not intend to give the impression I did. They are navigating a difficult and undeveloped regulatory landscape. There may be some social nuance I am missing, and I'm hoping this context improves the discussion.

[1] https://www.thelancet.com/article/S0140-6736(21)02664-7/full... [2] https://www.cdc.gov/intimate-partner-violence/about/intimate...

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22. betterhealth12 ◴[] No.45080135[source]
Hey - would love to connect about this, I am going to be in a group of founders where others might be interested as well so could even organize a group session. Please get in touch.
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23. ada1981 ◴[] No.45080428[source]
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24. tomhow ◴[] No.45088690{4}[source]
Thanks for the reply. I completely agree this topic in which caution and rigour is necessary and I appreciate you expanding on your thoughts about that.

My main concern was the cross-examining style of your original comment and it seems like you accept that the comment could have been better in that regard. Many thanks.

25. tomhow ◴[] No.45088750{4}[source]
The commenter has replied and accepted that their comment could have been better with respect to the accusatory, cross-examination style, which was the main concern I had.

Regarding the age of HN users: yes I know it's not the case that 100% of participants are mature adults; when I make a comment like that I have to ask myself "do I really need to couch this with the concession that this is not a 100% watertight assumption?" Evidently yes :)

I think it's important to defend against hostile comments towards people sharing unconventional healing techniques on HN. People who share these concepts can be vulnerable to attack from people who feel very emboldened by their faith in mainstream approaches and allegiance to orthodoxy. I know it can be exasperating, trying to be heard when faced with attacks like that, no matter how well-intentioned, well-researched and conscientious you are. We don't want HN to be a place that allows hostile treatment towards marginal voices to go un-defended, because it's usually the case that transformative ideas start out as fringe ideas, and risk being lost altogether unless someone makes the effort to advocate for them, often at great personal cost.