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A teen was suicidal. ChatGPT was the friend he confided in

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443 points jaredwiener | 1 comments | 26 Aug 25 14:15 UTC | HN request time: 0.333s | source
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broker354690 ◴[26 Aug 25 23:26 UTC] No.45033596[source]▶
Why isn't OpenAI criminally liable for this?

Last I checked:

-Signals emitted by a machine at the behest of a legal person intended to be read/heard by another legal person are legally classified as 'speech'.

-ChatGPT is just a program like Microsoft Word and not a legal person. OpenAI is a legal person, though.

-The servers running ChatGPT are owned by OpenAI.

-OpenAI willingly did business with this teenager, letting him set up an account in exchange for money. This business is a service under the control of OpenAI, not a product like a knife or gun. OpenAI intended to transmit speech to this teenager.

-A person can be liable (civilly? criminally?) for inciting another person's suicide. It is not protected speech to persuade someone into suicide.

-OpenAI produced some illegal speech and sent it to a suicidal teenager, who then committed suicide.

If Sam Altman stabbed the kid to death, it wouldn't matter if he did it on accident. Sam Altman would be at fault. You wouldn't sue or arrest the knife he used to do the deed.

Any lawyers here who can correct me, seeing as I am not one? It seems clear as day to me that OpenAI/Sam Altman directly encouraged a child to kill themselves.

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VirusNewbie ◴[27 Aug 25 06:34 UTC] No.45036119[source]▶
Is Google responsible if someone searches for a way to kill themselves, finds the means, and does it?

What about the ISP, that actually transferred the bits?

What about the forum, that didn't take down the post?

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1. broker354690 ◴[28 Aug 25 00:44 UTC] No.45047026[source]▶
OpenAI's ChatGPT is not an intermediary. Google finds you speech that was produced by someone else. ISPs ferry the speech to your modem. Forums aggregate speech from actual humans who produced that speech and enable you to access that speech.

The group of human beings known as OpenAI is directly responsible for generating the speech that was sent to this child, and they intentionally did business with this child. They did not conduct speech from one entity to another- they produced the speech themselves.