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zaptheimpaler ◴[] No.45029926[source]
> importers must declare the exact amount of steel, copper, and aluminum in products, with a 100% tariff applied to these materials. This makes little sense—PCBs, for instance, contain copper traces, but the quantity is nearly impossible to estimate.

Wow this administration is f**ing batshit insane. I thought the tariffs would be on raw metals, not anything at all that happens to contain them.

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duped ◴[] No.45030343[source]
> Wow this administration is f*ing batshit insane

It's reasons why this that I refuse to associate with Republicans in my daily life anymore. They are undeserving of respect or decency for how they continue to make our lives worse.

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throwmeaway222 ◴[] No.45030434[source]
yeah it's what publicans had to deal with for years when they were seeing their jobs vaporize and we just said ' well globalization ' but they didn't stop associating with crats.
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miltonlost ◴[] No.45030443[source]
??? Republicans were also a huge driver of offshoring manufacturing, not just the neoliberal Democrats. What are you talking about?
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Yeul ◴[] No.45030835[source]
Americans now hate capitalism. If you predicted this 40 years ago people would have called you crazy.
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timr ◴[] No.45031053[source]
That's silly. What's actually happening is far more nuanced and interesting: the parties have flipped.

For years, Democrats were generally aligned with labor, and broadly opposed to trade agreements -- remember that Hillary Clinton campaigned on rejecting the TPP [1], and it was unusual that Trump agreed with her, taking the issue away. Now, suddenly, the left is on the other side of the issue, because the current executive wants to restrict trade. It's nothing but realpolitik.

Also, not that long ago, it was the left that was advocating tariffs. For example, Obama in 2009 [2]. Admittedly nothing as sweeping or rushed as what is going on now, but still far from the party of free trade.

[1] https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/hillary-clinton-trade...

[2] https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna32808731

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watwut ◴[] No.45031555[source]
Current administration is not aligned with labor and poor people are the one who will pay the most.

It makes complete sense for the left to oppose this. And it is completely consistent with position of "i want these smart selective predictable tariffs". It would not be consistent with what is happening now

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timr ◴[] No.45031593{3}[source]
> Current administration is not aligned with labor and poor people are the one who will pay the most.

You might want to tell labor. I just listened to an hour-long podcast with the Teamsters leader, where he revealed that over half of their members supported Trump in the most recent election:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/why-unions-went-for-tr...

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Larrikin ◴[] No.45033008{4}[source]
Poor people voting against their own interest is a large base of the Republican party. It's usually some combination of religion, racism, and temporarily embarrassed millionaire thinking.
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whatthesmack ◴[] No.45034522{5}[source]
This predictable response to people doing what they think is best is so incredibly demeaning, infantilizing, and small-minded. Just because _you_ think somebody is voting against their own interest does not mean they are actually voting against their own interest.

The most virtuous of us do not vote their own interest first, but rather the interest of justice and morality. The assumption that people should or will vote their own interest first & always is what the kids these days seem to call "mid" and "basic".

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1. watwut ◴[] No.45045432{6}[source]
They dont do what they think is best. They want to harm people not like them, they are attracted to fraud and want affirmation of hierarchy that they think is advantage to them.

The infantilizing thing is constantly project positive motivations on people who do the opposite.

They were literally looking forward to cause harm, they just thought it will harm only liberals, trans, stupid feminists and well ... anyone not them.