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I Am An AI Hater

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notfed ◴[] No.45044221[source]

    "I strongly feel that AI is an insult to life itself." - Hayao Miyazaki
I'm going to start using this quote.
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the_af ◴[] No.45044397[source]
Have you watched the video that goes with it? It's online, and very amusing.

Regardless of how you feel about AI, the specific instance Miyazaki was reacting to was, indeed, an insult to life itself!

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1. frozenseven ◴[] No.45045294[source]
It's out of context. They used reinforcement learning to make a ragdoll move. So much drama over nothing.
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2. the_af ◴[] No.45048129[source]
What do you mean? As far as I know, the context is that Miyazaki hated it because it reminded him of a friend with disabilities. That's why he said it was an insult to life itself.

Miyazaki's attitude to tech in general is ambivalent, isn't it? He used to be very conservative and traditional, yet in Princess Mononoke you can tell he used some CGI.

I think I agree with his approach: the work/vision comes first, and tech can be used but not as a gimmick, and always careful not to overpower the artistry.

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3. Ekaros ◴[] No.45049774[source]
I think it was and probably still is valid statement on where reinforced learning tend to end to. Something in essence exploiting the physics system.

I think there would be lot less backlash if the end was graceful, smooth and natural looking. But it was not.

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4. frozenseven ◴[] No.45050127[source]
Getting 3D models to move in a natural way through RL is largely a solved problem. And listen to what they were saying in the video. Whatever they were demoing there, they were also thinking of using for a zombie model in a video game. Ragdolls in video games wasn't a new concept at the time either.

Out of context & blown out of proportion.

5. frozenseven ◴[] No.45057536[source]
For what the demo actually was, Miyazaki's reaction didn't make sense. The anti-AI activists' use of this soundbite makes even less sense.
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6. the_af ◴[] No.45065482{3}[source]
I agree it's taken out of context in current AI discourse. It's just a fun anecdote.

> For what the demo actually was, Miyazaki's reaction didn't make sense.

Hard disagree. Miyazaki explains his position in the video (reminded him of a friend with disabilities, etc). Plus there's an aesthetic and art sensibility to his opinion; this is Miyazaki, not just any other author. The failure was probably on his subordinates, they forgot who they were demoing to.

It's like showing a 3D game demo to someone who fundamentally dislikes 3D in games (or gore to someone who dislikes gore, etc). I mean, sure, it could land... but most likely it won't.

It doesn't really say much about AI in general, this was Miyazaki's personal take and an amusing quote that is too much fun to resist mentioning.

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7. frozenseven ◴[] No.45071622{4}[source]
I guess I have a very different take on these types of outbursts. Especially when it's coming from these 'revered' figures.