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zhyder ◴[] No.45042740[source]
Neat idea to mix batteries of different age and chemistries. I've wondered why EVs couldn't do that too with some power electronics and SW. If an EV battery could have multiple such modules, it'd:

1) Make it easier to carry a cheaper lighter less-natural-resources-consuming battery most of the time. Go to some "gas station" to rent and add more modules when taking a road trip

2) Make it cheaper to replace the 1 module used a lot at its EOL, thereby making EVs last longer and be viable as cheap used cars even past 10 years like ICE cars are

3) Allow easier upgrades as chemistry improves: solid-state, sodium ion, etc.

Modules could be electrically tested for fit. I'd think the fit range would be quite wide (e.g. if one supported lower max discharge rates than another) given the headroom we have with EVs' power these days: they have far-more-than-needed power (which mostly comes for free with EV range).

The tradeoff is that they'd need to be built to be modular with some standardization on module dimensions (maybe we'll have "ZZ" size like we have AA, C, etc today), and would take a tad more volume in the vehicle (though the limiting factor is weight rather than volume). Easily worthwhile over the current model with a huge monolithic pack.

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smileysteve ◴[] No.45042938[source]
Re: 1, ignoring the complexities, is really interesting but depending on the effort to change our battery banks quickly makes renting a car more feasible.

And this highlights American traffic and sparseness.

- plug-in hybrids have 10-13 mile range which is great for running a few errands (this is only slightly more feasible than in a golf cart or ebikes) - also great for last mile connectivity for mass transit n users;

- the Nissan leaf 2012 had an 80 mile range - perfect for most daily commutes in a metro area

- modern electric vehicles have 200-300+ mile range, good for weekend getaways; esp with a charge at the destination

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lstodd ◴[] No.45043270[source]
actually if you can get a late-1990-ish 90-100cc 2T japanese scooter like Honda Lead 90 or Suzuki Address 100, or even later Yamaha Neos / MBK Ovetto 100cc of 2005-ish vintage this whole discussion about ranges and fuel consumptions becomes pointless.

because those have had fuel consumption of like 2-3L per 100km. with fuel tanks of about 6L you had all the range for errands you could possibly need.

and they were capable of moving two persons around _and_ moving a ton of grocery, or something like an ironing board.

hell, in 2000s we were doing 700km trips on them.

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stetrain ◴[] No.45043577[source]
Small 2-stroke engines tend to be worse for pollution emissions (NOx, particulates) despite generally good fuel efficiency.
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lstodd ◴[] No.45043649[source]
well, yes, I like the smell of 2T exhaust in the morning.

still, even my yamaha majesty 250 of 1992 (4HC-edit) only ate 3.5L/100km despite hauling thrice the mass of that same ovetto.

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1. olddustytrail ◴[] No.45045140[source]
Of course you do. As long as someone else pays for cleaning up after you. There have always been leeches in the world.
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2. lstodd ◴[] No.45045375[source]
your comment reminds me of a rant by a severely clueless person who insisted that we must conserve water despite living on an island in a middle of a second largest european reservoir.

which is utterly pointless.

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3. olddustytrail ◴[] No.45046400[source]
Of course it does. When you apply zero thought to anything you can always find false equivalence.