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gherkinnn ◴[] No.45038575[source]
The F35 has been a shit show for 15 years or more. So not only is it a disaster at the tactical and operational level, with the US holding the keys and being run by a cretin, it is now also a strategic blunder.

The French were right with their strategic autonomy, de Gaulle evidently prescient, and the various EU countries falling for the F35 would have been better off choosing the Rafale or Gripen.

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luma ◴[] No.45038655[source]
That is a patently absurd take, ask Iran how much of a shitshow it is to be on the receiving end of planes your AA can't see.
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gherkinnn ◴[] No.45038782[source]
The B2 is what did the damage in Iran. F22 and F35 were reportedly sent to protect the bombers.

I don't see how that detracts from the point that the F35 has been fraught with problems and operating it is dependent on an unreliably ally.

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UltraSane ◴[] No.45039374[source]
This is completely wrong. B2 bombers only dropped the MOAB on the nuclear enrichment sites. Israel used F35s to bomb Iran at will. Iran didn't shoot down a single plane.
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542354234235 ◴[] No.45041710[source]
They dropped the GBU-57 Massive Ordnance Penetrator (MOP), not the GBU-43/B Massive Ordnance Air Blast (MOAB).
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1. UltraSane ◴[] No.45044002[source]
Minor point. OP is still completely wrong to ignore the HUNDREDS of bombs that Israel F35s dropped on Iran.