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qwertox ◴[] No.45037882[source]
A country can commit to 300 years of wind energy, temporarily harming a bit of nature.

Once a better solution has been found, the land can be freed for the nature to take over again.

We have no issues with stealing a couple of square miles of nature in order to pave it for our cities or to use it for farming.

Once you remove the wind turbines, the harm you've done to the nature was minimal: production of the turbines, used area and generated noise, minimal pollution of the area, the troubles of recycling them. That's mostly it.

You don't have this with oil, nor with current-age nuclear.

Also, we've already accepted the noise of cars, trucks, motorcycles and planes.

So I really don't get what they are protesting about, specially in Germany.

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CalRobert ◴[] No.45038086[source]
Germany is famously abhorrent of change. "We've always done it this way" isn't used ironically.
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AlexandrB ◴[] No.45038225[source]
Unless the change is shutting down perfectly good nuclear power plants[1]. The energy transition in Germany has been handled horribly for reasons I can't understand.

[1] https://www.base.bund.de/en/nuclear-safety/nuclear-phase-out...

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pydry ◴[] No.45038741[source]
It's wild how much shit Germany got for turning off gas, coal and nuclear power plants (which comprised about ~8% of their power) while Poland running on ~80-90% coal for decades without changing anything was nbd.

It's almost as if the outrage was astroturfed into existence by the nuclear lobby using similar tactics to the oil lobby.

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ZeroGravitas ◴[] No.45040319[source]
It's the fossil lobby directly.

You never hear someone complain about Germany's nuclear exit and then pivot into "but at least they're doing well with renewables and they should do better and go faster on EVs and electrification of heat" which would make sense for someone who had a strange affection for nuclear tech, particularly those last two which work great with nuclear.

What you do see is people absolutely seething about leftists and environmentalists and renewables who only have one just barely socially acceptable outlet to attack Germany on.

But they attack them not because their decarbonisation is slow but because they were clear leaders in the tech that threatens fossil fuels around the globe.

Making it seem like a failure is a good way to slow down that transition in other countries too.

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1. CalRobert ◴[] No.45043692[source]
But they’re doing badly with ev’s and have pushed the EU to water down rules against ICE cars. Never mind that Germany has been pretty bad for people who want to bike instead of needing a car.
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2. ZeroGravitas ◴[] No.45048849[source]
Yes, that's my point. But it's not leftists and environmentalists to blame for delays on those, so apparently the nuclear bros don't care.

Which would be weird if they weren't misrepresenting their concerns. Or at least trying to. It's all very transparent.