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podgietaru ◴[] No.45032841[source]
I have looked suicide in the eyes before. And reading the case file for this is absolutely horrific. He wanted help. He was heading in the direction of help, and he was stopped from getting it.

He wanted his parents to find out about his plan. I know this feeling. It is the clawing feeling of knowing that you want to live, despite feeling like you want to die.

We are living in such a horrific moment. We need these things to be legislated. Punished. We need to stop treating them as magic. They had the tools to prevent this. They had the tools to stop the conversation. To steer the user into helpful avenues.

When I was suicidal, I googled methods. And I got the number of a local hotline. And I rang it. And a kind man talked me down. And it potentially saved my life. And I am happier, now. I live a worthwhile life, now.

But at my lowest.. An AI Model designed to match my tone and be sycophantic to my every whim. It would have killed me.

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charcircuit ◴[] No.45035840[source]
>We need these things to be legislated. Punished.

I disagree. We don't need the government to force companies to babysit people instead of allowing people to understand their options. It's purely up to the individual to decide what they want to do with their life.

>They had the tools to stop the conversation.

So did the user. If he didn't want to talk to a chatbot he could have stopped at any time.

>To steer the user into helpful avenues.

Having AI purposefully manipulate its users towards the morals of the company is more harmful.

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fredoliveira ◴[] No.45038349[source]
> he could have stopped at any time.

Obviously, clearly untrue. You go ahead and try stopping a behavior that reinforces your beliefs, especially when you're in an altered mental state.

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itvision ◴[] No.45038435[source]
If a stupid chatbot reinforces something you hold dear, maybe you need the help of a professional psychiatrist. And the kid never did.

But yeah, let's paint ChatGPT responsible. It's always corporations, not whatever shit he had in his life, including and not limited to his genes.

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habinero ◴[] No.45039653[source]
Are you really blaming a child in crisis for not having the ability to get a psychiatrist?

We regulate plenty of things for safety in highly effective and practical ways. Seatbelts in cars. Railings on stairs. No lead in paint.

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1. itvision ◴[] No.45043194{3}[source]
The concept of "guilt" is foreign to me. I hate it with all my heart.

On the other hand, someone might be held responsible for this, and that's it.

"Might" is the key word here. Given what we've learned, it's difficult to pinpoint who might be responsible.