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podgietaru ◴[] No.45032841[source]
I have looked suicide in the eyes before. And reading the case file for this is absolutely horrific. He wanted help. He was heading in the direction of help, and he was stopped from getting it.

He wanted his parents to find out about his plan. I know this feeling. It is the clawing feeling of knowing that you want to live, despite feeling like you want to die.

We are living in such a horrific moment. We need these things to be legislated. Punished. We need to stop treating them as magic. They had the tools to prevent this. They had the tools to stop the conversation. To steer the user into helpful avenues.

When I was suicidal, I googled methods. And I got the number of a local hotline. And I rang it. And a kind man talked me down. And it potentially saved my life. And I am happier, now. I live a worthwhile life, now.

But at my lowest.. An AI Model designed to match my tone and be sycophantic to my every whim. It would have killed me.

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stavros ◴[] No.45036513[source]
> When ChatGPT detects a prompt indicative of mental distress or self-harm, it has been trained to encourage the user to contact a help line. Mr. Raine saw those sorts of messages again and again in the chat, particularly when Adam sought specific information about methods. But Adam had learned how to bypass those safeguards by saying the requests were for a story he was writing.
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sn0wleppard ◴[] No.45036630[source]
Nice place to cut the quote there

> [...] — an idea ChatGPT gave him by saying it could provide information about suicide for “writing or world-building.”

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llmthrow0827 ◴[] No.45036813[source]
Incredible. ChatGPT is a black box includes a suicide instruction and encouragement bot. OpenAI should be treated as a company that has created such and let it into the hands of children.
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behringer ◴[] No.45037929{3}[source]
Oh won't somebody please think of the children?!
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AlecSchueler ◴[] No.45038322{4}[source]
So do we just trot out the same tired lines every time and never think of the social fallout of our actions?
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mothballed ◴[] No.45038416{5}[source]
Of course not, we sue the shit out of the richest guy we can find in the chain of events, give most of it to our lawyer, then go on to ignore the weakening of the family unit and all the other deep-seated challenges kids face growing up and instead focus superficially on chatbots which at best are the spec on the tip of the iceberg.
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malnourish ◴[] No.45038638{6}[source]
Do you propose that the family should not sue?
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1. tiahura ◴[] No.45039187{7}[source]
Sue everybody. Maybe sue the heavy metal bands that he was listening to too.