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userbinator ◴[] No.45035952[source]
This shouldn't just be "questions"; this should be a full-on opposition. Do not give them even an inch, or they'll take a mile.

"debugger vendors in 2047 distributed numbered copies only, and only to officially licensed and bonded programmers." - Richard Stallman, The Right to Read, 1997

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teekert ◴[] No.45036017[source]
Why is it so complex to have a foss mobile OS.

I only have Linux PCs (laptops) and servers, 100% of my work and personal stuff is done there (though for work I do need to hop into MS365, Google Workspace, Zoom, etc, hooray for browsers, my final firewall between me and the walled gardens, though we can have a whole discussion on that).

For mobile, we have PostmarketOS, Phosh, Ubuntu Touch. I really must try living in them, is it on me? IDK, our government even has an identity app for iOS and Android. I should not be using it, I should stick to web. But its so much more convenient. I'm just weak, aren't I?

Maybe I should go for Ubuntu touch, with an iPad on the side or something. At least my most personal device is something I control then. Or just keep my Linux laptop handy (or make a cyberdeck!). But I want a computing platform that does not require carrying a bag. It's kinda sad. Even GrapheneOS (one of the most personal and secure mobile computing experiences out there)'s future is in the hands of its greatest adversary, the one that does not want you to have a personal computing experience.

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charcircuit ◴[] No.45036070[source]
Do not forget Android is also a FOSS mobile OS.
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dns_snek ◴[] No.45036115[source]
Android is not FOSS in any sense of the word and doesn't produce any user benefits that FOSS is meant to produce.
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charcircuit ◴[] No.45036178[source]
Most of AOSP is licensed under the Apache 2.0 license and GPLv2 for the Linux kernel. These are FOSS licenses recognized by the FSF.

https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#apache2

https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#GPLv2

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danieldk ◴[] No.45036200[source]
I think that they are pointing at that using Android in daily life in a meaningful way requires installing Google Play Services because many apps require it.
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charcircuit ◴[] No.45036223{6}[source]
And my point is throwing out all of AOSP because of that is throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Whatever other FOSS OS someone comes up with won't have Google Play Services built in either.
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m4rtink ◴[] No.45036505{7}[source]
Isn't AOSP developed behind closed doors, with infrequent code drops & zero community participation ?

Good luck building anything on top of that & keeping it in sync long term.

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1. charcircuit ◴[] No.45037402{8}[source]
AOSP has yearly releases for the new major versions, but you can contribute code upstream.