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rideontime ◴[] No.45032301[source]
The full complaint is horrifying. This is not equivalent to a search engine providing access to information about suicide methods. It encouraged him to share these feelings only with ChatGPT, talked him out of actions which would have revealed his intentions to his parents. Praised him for hiding his drinking, thanked him for confiding in it. It groomed him into committing suicide. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QYyZnGjRgXZY6kR5FA3My1xB3a9...
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kgeist ◴[] No.45035713[source]
The kid intentionally bypassed the safeguards:

>When ChatGPT detects a prompt indicative of mental distress or self-harm, it has been trained to encourage the user to contact a help line. Mr. Raine saw those sorts of messages again and again in the chat, particularly when Adam sought specific information about methods. But Adam had learned how to bypass those safeguards by saying the requests were for a story he was writing — an idea ChatGPT gave him by saying it could provide information about suicide for “writing or world-building".

ChatGPT is a program. The kid basically instructed it to behave like that. Vanilla OpenAI models are known for having too many guardrails, not too few. It doesn't sound like default behavior.

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gblargg ◴[] No.45036153[source]
We can't child-proof everything. There are endless pits adults can get themselves into. If we really think that people with mental issues can't make sane choices, we need to lock them up. You can't have both at the same time: they are fully functioning adults, and we need to pad the world so they don't hurt themselves. The people around him failed, but they want to blame a big corporation because he used their fantasy tool.

And I see he was 16. Why were his parents letting him operate so unsupervised given his state of mind? They failed to be involved enough in his life.

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1. michaelt ◴[] No.45036771[source]
> And I see he was 16. Why were his parents letting him operate so unsupervised given his state of mind?

Normally 16-year-olds are a good few steps into the path towards adulthood. At 16 I was cycling to my part time job alone, visiting friends alone, doing my own laundry, and generally working towards being able to stand on my own two feet in the world, with my parents as a safety net rather than hand-holding.

I think most parents of 16-year-olds aren't going through their teen's phone, reading their chats.