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447 points stephenheron | 1 comments | | HN request time: 0.208s | source

Hi,

My daily workhorse is a M1 Pro that I purchased on release date, It has been one of the best tech purchases I have made, even now it really deals with anything I throw at it. My daily work load is regularly having a Android emulator, iOS simulator and a number of Dockers containers running simultaneously and I never hear the fans, battery life has taken a bit of a hit but it is still very respectable.

I wanted a new personal laptop, and I was debating between a MacBook Air or going for a Framework 13 with Linux. I wanted to lean into learning something new so went with the Framework and I must admit I am regretting it a bit.

The M1 was released back in 2020 and I bought the Ryzen AI 340 which is one of the newest 2025 chips from AMD, so AMD has 5 years of extra development and I had expected them to get close to the M1 in terms of battery efficiency and thermals.

The Ryzen is using a TSMC N4P process compared to the older N5 process, I managed to find a TSMC press release showing the performance/efficiency gains from the newer process: “When compared to N5, N4P offers users a reported +11% performance boost or a 22% reduction in power consumption. Beyond that, N4P can offer users a 6% increase in transistor density over N5”

I am sorely disappointed, using the Framework feels like using an older Intel based Mac. If I open too many tabs in Chrome I can feel the bottom of the laptop getting hot, open a YouTube video and the fans will often spin up.

Why haven’t AMD/Intel been able to catch up? Is x86 just not able to keep up with the ARM architecture? When can we expect a x86 laptop chip to match the M1 in efficiency/thermals?!

To be fair I haven’t tried Windows on the Framework yet it might be my Linux setup being inefficient.

Cheers, Stephen

1. greatgib ◴[] No.45036251[source]
I think that you are wrong to extrapolate anything about the hardware capabilities based on your experience on a few tasks.

Difference are more software related in my opinion. And it might be just appearance as Apple is used to do tricks. Like for example it was shown in a good old time that people were thinking that the iphone was faster to load things because of using animation at load time despite taking the same time as other phones.

For example, for the many tabs in Chrome, the difference might be that macos is aggressively throttling things when your linux laptop will give you the maximum performance possible and so producing more heat. I often noted that with osx and especially when you don't have a lot of ram. The os will easily put to sleep and evict other programs, but also other windows and other tabs I guess as part of them are separated process. Then, when you need them, it reload the memory. Good in term of power efficiency but in my experience I was experiencing terrible latencies like going from one window to another. Let's say like 1s. Not obvious if you are not used to better.

In the same way that a lot of persons are used to electron based ide like vscode and feels perfectly ok, but for me the latency of typing code and it showing on the screen is awful compared to my native ide.

In the same way for macos, you can see how often the laptop will go to sleep, or lower the display light unexpectedly with default settings. Like these guys that suddenly quit Google meet meetings because the mac went to sleep despite the active call.