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arnaudsm ◴[] No.45033273[source]
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goosejuice ◴[] No.45033528[source]
Well your father can't buy a Waymo. Even if he could it wouldn't go very far, wouldn't work everywhere and would cost at least 2x a model 3 or Y. So there are at least several leads Tesla has.

It's a horrible comparison. Why do people keep making it? This isn't Lyft vs Uber. A better comparison to Tesla FSD would be blue cruise, super cruise, drive pilot, god's eye, and every other consumer level 2 ADAS.

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arnaudsm ◴[] No.45033655[source]
I was comparing Robotaxis with Waymo in Texas.

If you want to compare Teslas with consumer cars, the best metric we have is the fatality rate per mile. Tesla is #1.

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1. tass ◴[] No.45033833[source]
This metric says nothing about self driving capabilities. In fact, I'd argue that FSD supervising the driver (and doing things like limiting speed before corners) would make their cars safer.

To me this metric shows that their cars are very high performing, and for most drivers they're probably the fastest accelerating cars they've ever driven. Tesla should probably default them to 'chill' mode and provide a warning about how fast the car is when you switch out of that mode.

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2. michaelmrose ◴[] No.45034024[source]
It is fantastically optimistic to attribute Teslas horrific stats to the cars being speedy

For instance the model y had a fatality rate of 10.6 per billion vehicle miles 4x the average.

Its also seems unreasonable to suppose that they are poorly suited to survive a crash as this doesn't seem to be indicated.

A more logical conclusion is that a box with a giant flashing distracting tablet in the center which lies and says it can drive itself gets crashed more because people are functionally incapable of going from passenger to driver at random intervals with no notice.

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3. riehwvfbk ◴[] No.45035073[source]
Teslas also tend to attract people who hate driving and are bad at it. Yes, this is anecdotal, but - several friends and acquaintances said something along the lines of "my Tesla is the best, self-driving helps so much, I hate driving and I can't wait for them to fully automate it".

I wonder if segregating bad drivers into a separate population affects those fatality statistics.

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4. michaelmrose ◴[] No.45035617{3}[source]
When a car across all users has more deaths one should simply assume it is less safe. Nobody makes these bullshit excuses for any other car.