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elil17 ◴[] No.45029999[source]
They really fail to explain a key point here. The reason you colocate this with a desalination plant is because you use the super-salty wastewater from desalination as the salty side of the osmosis power plant. Then you find some wastewater which is low in salt (such as semi-treated sewage), and use that as the fresh side of the osmosis power plant.

The end result is that the salty wastewater is partially diluted, which means it has a lower environmental impact when it is discharged to the ocean.

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tempestn ◴[] No.45032060[source]
Yeah, this is the coolest part. The leftover brine from desalination is generally just a problem. It's harmful to the marine habitat if you just put it back into the ocean, and there isn't a lot else good to be done with it. (Basically you have to dilute it first.) But this way you get useful work out of the dilution!

The article also doesn't say if it produces more power than the attached desalination plant requires. I doubt it as you'd be getting close to a perpetual motion machine if so. In which case basically what you've got is a very energy efficient desalination plant, more than a power plant.

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blix ◴[] No.45032755[source]
Fukuoka's desalination plant treats about 16400 m^3 of water per day. Assuming 3kWh per m^3 of water, this works out to a time-averaged power consuption of ~2000kW.

The osmotic power plant generates about 100kW, so it's about 5% of the total desalination energy requirement.

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1. tempestn ◴[] No.45033826[source]
Ah, so a slightly more efficient desalination plant then.
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2. rrrrrrrrrrrryan ◴[] No.45034295[source]
Slightly more efficient, with less waste.
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3. mrexroad ◴[] No.45034994[source]
Pretty solid win-win
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4. sl-1 ◴[] No.45037446{3}[source]
Depends on the CAPEX and OPEX requirements. If it is cheap to do, it could be a solid win, but if the plant requires a lot of capital, it might be cheaper to just take the hit on efficiency
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5. azepoi ◴[] No.45038544{4}[source]
Yes the brine could just be diluted wih gray water to reduce the environnemental impact without the energy recovery of the osmotic plant and the capital can be invested in other renewable with better efficiency.

That being said it's a first so it's a pilot project needed to have feedback on a real plant in operation and not just back of the enveloppe calculations and suppositions. Sometime you need to just build the thing to encounter problems, issues or non-issues.