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klipklop ◴[] No.45010448[source]
The game Alpha Centauri had the most hard hitting quote that I think applies now.

"As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny...Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master. Commissioner Pravin Lal, 'U.N. Declaration of Rights' "

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awesome_dude[dead post] ◴[] No.45010558[source]
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cobbzilla ◴[] No.45010633[source]
The above acts either carry no intrinsic information content and/or very few people apart of free-speech absolutists would be OK with them. They’re not evocative of the controversy at hand, and I can’t find anyone defending them.

Perhaps more appropriate:

* Instructions for making an illegal firearm

* Unpopular political opinions

* Instructions for engaging in illicit speech without detection

* Silently standing still with head bowed and hands folded in public

* Using a VPN

* Holding a sign at a protest

There are probably many more examples like the above, which would engender a more nuanced discussion.

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JumpCrisscross ◴[] No.45010670[source]
> above acts either carry no intrinsic information content

This is an exercise in censorship, in a sense. So is blocking spam.

OP’s point stands. Information flow requires regulation in any society. I’ve been something of a free-speech absolutist most of my life, but I’m strongly re-thinking that after seeing Europe and America fall to what can only be described as populist stupidity.

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cobbzilla ◴[] No.45012523[source]
> Information flow requires regulation in any society.

I agree! But where to draw the line? Your examples include crimes (distinct from whatever speech/expression) that are far beyond where anyone is saying should be allowed. This seemed a bit disingenuous to me. I was trying to engender a higher-quality discussion.

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awesome_dude ◴[] No.45019039[source]
> But where to draw the line?

That's the thing, when you draw the line you no longer have "free" speech/expression, you only have "speech that's not considered a crime"

The examples are what society have collectively decided are forms of speech/expression (yes they are all speech/expression) that people shouldn't be free to use.

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cobbzilla ◴[] No.45028283[source]
Again, totally agree. I don’t think anyone is advocating for anarchy or zero restrictions on speech/expression. So if we’re going to debate where to draw the line, let’s pick examples that folks could reasonably have different opinions about, versus drawing the line so far out and saying “well you’ve crossed this super far line, so anything is fair game”. Anything should not be fair game. What kinds of speech/expression should never be illegal? That is maybe a more interesting question. What conduct is never over the censorship line in your view?
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