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duxup ◴[] No.45029937[source]
>Michael Carson became the focus of a theft investigation involving money allegedly taken from a neighbor’s safe.

>Authorities secured a warrant to search his phone, but the document placed no boundaries on what could be examined.

>It permitted access to all data on the device, including messages, photos, contacts, and documents, without any restriction based on time period or relevance. Investigators collected over a thousand pages of information, much of it unrelated to the accusation.

Yeah that's pretty absurd.

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1. pcaharrier ◴[] No.45030333[source]
Pretty absurd and sadly common (in my several years' experience working in the criminal justice system). Good for Michigan for putting a stop to it.
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2. sidewndr46 ◴[] No.45030542[source]
As others have mentioned the courts in Michigan don't have any real authority to stop this. Also in the rare case that someone in law enforcement gets caught doing this sort of thing, the 'punishment' is that they have to promise not to do it again
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3. mrkstu ◴[] No.45030633[source]
They can stop Michigan judges from granting warrants that fall within this scope, which should stop 90%+ of the problem within their purview.

Now the downside is that since they rely on the Federal Constitution in the ruling rather than the Michigan one, if the Supreme Court ever rules differently, this precedent will be overturned, even in Michigan.

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4. pcaharrier ◴[] No.45030851[source]
>As others have mentioned the courts in Michigan don't have any real authority to stop this.

Who has said this? People are saying that a ruling of the Michigan Supreme Court won't stop Michigan police officers from getting search warrants without limitations? How did these people come to that conclusion?

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5. pcaharrier ◴[] No.45030943{3}[source]
They hinted at the issue in footnote 11:

"Our state Constitution, Const 1963, art 1, § 11, also guards against unreasonable searches and seizures. In fact, as amended by voter initiative in the 2020 general election, Const 1963, art 1, § 11 specifically provides that “[n]o warrant to . . . access electronic data or electronic communications shall issue without describing them . . . .” However, defendant’s claims below rested solely on Fourth Amendment principles. Therefore, we have no occasion to consider whether the language of Const 1963, art 1, § 11 provides broader protection than the Fourth Amendment in this context. Compare People v Lucynski, 509 Mich 618, 634 n 6; 983 NW2d 827 (2022) (noting that Const 1963, art 1, § 11 is interpreted coextensively with the Fourth Amendment unless there is a compelling reason for a different interpretation), with People v Bullock, 440 Mich 15, 30-31; 485 NW2d 866 (1992) (concluding that a textual difference between the Eighth Amendment and Const 1963, art 1, § 16 supported a broader interpretation of our state constitutional provision)."

So really the downside is that the defendant's lawyer didn't raise the state constitutional issue (which looks even clearer).

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6. EasyMark ◴[] No.45031523[source]
What are you talking about? They have all the rights in the world if it's a Michigan state matter. They are the supreme interpreter of Michigan law in that state, and what 4th amendment rights mean, unless it's taken to federal court. THey obviously can't stop the feds. This decision would allow lawyers to block data outside of a warrants limits being used when it's obvious they ignored the warrant. That is extremely useful if you're representing someone
7. sidewndr46 ◴[] No.45031825{3}[source]
Michigan Supreme court does not have authority over Federal Agents. Michigan is a border state, so anyone is subject to stop and search at any time
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9. pcaharrier ◴[] No.45032197{4}[source]
>Michigan is a border state, so anyone is subject to stop and search at any time

You know, if you're a Homeland Security agent you have to tell us, right?

10. qingcharles ◴[] No.45032369[source]
You're getting downvoted, but the reason the rule of suppression exists (it shouldn't) is because police and judges and DAs never get punished for this stuff. That's why judges created it.

Someone tell me how many prosecutors in the history of the USA have been criminally convicted for sending known innocent persons to prison.

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11. cosmicgadget ◴[] No.45032570{4}[source]
But they do have authority over local and state law enforcement.
12. sidewndr46 ◴[] No.45032789{3}[source]
I'd just settle for the number of judges behind bars for sending kids to prison for personal profit. As far as I know that number is once again zero thanks to our esteemed office of the President.
13. lokar ◴[] No.45034246{4}[source]
They were probably hoping to build towards a nationwide rule