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639 points CTOSian | 15 comments | 26 Aug 25 17:22 UTC | HN request time: 0.909s | source | bottom
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InitialLastName ◴[26 Aug 25 17:49 UTC] No.45029930[source]▶
This whole tariff circus boils down to regulatory capture by manufacturers at the 10+-figure market cap scale. Olimex (and other small and medium businesses) can't reasonably be expected to calculate the exact material composition of their products (much less their suppliers' products); the only people who can are on the scale of Apple, Microsoft, Samsung and Google whose volumes can amortize the cost of doing so on a per-product basis (and who have probably already done that analysis as part of their process control).
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softwaredoug ◴[26 Aug 25 17:52 UTC] No.45029951[source]▶
We’re living through a political revolution centralizing state and economic power. It’s almost like the pendulum swung away from the Soviet system and now we’re swinging back.
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fooker ◴[26 Aug 25 18:12 UTC] No.45030198[source]▶
Yeah, seize the means of production, indeed.

Funny that this time this started from the right side of the political spectrum.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory

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1. ronsor ◴[26 Aug 25 18:17 UTC] No.45030265[source]▶
Horseshoe theory is real, but there's also the fact that politics has more than one axis.

Authoritarianism is the common denominator; only the details vary.

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2. fooker ◴[26 Aug 25 18:21 UTC] No.45030313[source]▶
Makes sense.

If you think you have the best idea, the natural next move is to force everyone to follow that best idea, no room for disagreement or alternatives.

This pops up everywhere, everywhere ideology is involved in decisions.

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3. mrkstu ◴[26 Aug 25 18:41 UTC] No.45030543[source]▶
A recent guest (historian) made that point on the Triggernomitry podcast.

Stalin, Mao, Castro, Hitler- they were all 'idealists.'

They were in it to improve the human (or some subset thereof) condition. And they weren't going to let anyone get in their way of making things better!

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4. fooker ◴[26 Aug 25 19:09 UTC] No.45030847[source]▶
Okay, click on the wikipedia link and you can find a reasonable number of credible sources the article cites.

You can follow citations from these citations to find primary search that shows quite a bit of support for it in academic political science.

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5. fooker ◴[26 Aug 25 19:32 UTC] No.45031173{3}[source]▶
This is what's scary about Elon Musk talking about 'sustainable abundance'.
6. sherr ◴[26 Aug 25 19:33 UTC] No.45031184{3}[source]▶
That guest is Dominic Sandbrook, one half of the excellent "Rest is History" podcast.

You can't make an omellete without breaking a few eggs, after all. That was Lenin, supposedly.

edit: spelling of "one"

7. sitkack ◴[26 Aug 25 19:48 UTC] No.45031428{3}[source]▶
Idealists in the sense of a simplistic worldview.

It is worth a watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf-bSAnW_E0 but it itself is a somewhat simplistic take.

8. robocat ◴[26 Aug 25 20:21 UTC] No.45031858[source]▶
> politics has more than one axis.

The "political compass" has two dimensions: left/right horizontally and authoritarian/libertarian vertically.

Unfortunately "political compass" is also for the quadrant memes: https://en.meming.world/wiki/Political_Compass (which has some good commentary on the compass and great examples).

And there's the Nolan Chart: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolan_Chart which is even more confusing. The word "liberal" is not used in New Zealand much, although perhaps the US meaning is taking hold. Also centrist here is unclear so the Nolan Chart makes no sense to me.

9. gtowey ◴[26 Aug 25 20:25 UTC] No.45031897{3}[source]▶
It's probably more accurate to say they were reductionists -- it's easy to imagine an ideal system if you ignore the complexities of reality.

Which is why they all failed.

I bet it's related to the tendency for narcissism where you believe that you alone have all the right answers.

10. anthem2025 ◴[26 Aug 25 23:28 UTC] No.45033603{3}[source]▶
I think the obvious conclusion from my post is that I don’t find any of those people credible. At all.

I’d go so far as to say I think anyone peddling horseshoe theory is a politically illiterate fool regardless of their supposed qualifications.

It’s funny that you want me to read the imitation though.

“ Several political scientists, psychologists, and sociologists have criticized the horseshoe theory.[3][4][5] Proponents point to a number of perceived similarities between extremes and allege that both tend to support authoritarianism or totalitarianism; political scientists do not appear to support this notion, and instances of peer-reviewed research on the subject are scarce. Existing studies and comprehensive reviews often find only limited support and only under certain conditions; they generally contradict the theory's central premises.”

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11. int_19h ◴[27 Aug 25 06:41 UTC] No.45036169{3}[source]▶
On the contrary, Stalin was one of the most brutally pragmatic politicians of the 20th century.
12. int_19h ◴[27 Aug 25 06:43 UTC] No.45036176{4}[source]▶
I grew up in Russia in early 90s when we had literal Nazis and literal Stalinists openly marching on the streets and running in elections.

I don't know what to tell you except that the term "red-brown" became popular for a good reason.

(And I'm far left myself, by the way.)

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13. uncircle ◴[27 Aug 25 08:10 UTC] No.45036787[source]▶
Which is why it's so fun to see American leftists and rightists get at each other throats, while they share the common denominator of authoritarianism and are more similar than they would like to admit.
14. anthem2025 ◴[27 Aug 25 15:51 UTC] No.45041331{5}[source]▶
That’s nice.

It’s not an argument at all IMO, but good for you.

> I'm far left myself, by the way

So you would, logically, describe yourself as a fascist then?

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15. int_19h ◴[27 Aug 25 21:42 UTC] No.45045667{6}[source]▶
No, because I'm an extreme libertarian, not an authoritarian leftist. But I would describe many tankies as borderline fascist or worse, yet I cannot deny that their economic platform is left-wing.